Norman_Conquest
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Everyone who attended received a 'goody bag' worth in the region of £75,000 - Just for attending
Will Smith v Chris Rock
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JM14
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It’s just comedy though, if someone can’t take a bit of a joke they probably shouldn’t leave the houseMock someone's significant others health condition and expect a slap, let alone in front of a global audience and your peers. Think he's been pushed enough RE: his wife.
The cynic in me wonders if its staged to build him some credibility up after he's been widely mocked for the fact his wife sleeps with other guys and he just sucks it up.
Those saying you just can't do that etc. I'd have to disagree, violence isn't the answer but we don't live in a perfect world and if you spout off not everyone is going to have a reasoned debate with you over it.
Go to any comedy show and you would get much worse if you were sat in the first few rows
Jonny Ingbar
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Maybe the joke was in bad taste, but if that justifies the reaction by WS, then Ricky Gervais would have been murdered 100 times over, after his Golden Globe gags.
Thought Chris Rock handled it OK all thing considered, Will Smith the opposite, but then he's a bit of an odd-ball anyway I think, as most scientologists tend to be.
Thought Chris Rock handled it OK all thing considered, Will Smith the opposite, but then he's a bit of an odd-ball anyway I think, as most scientologists tend to be.
BaronSmoggie
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Bit of an odd one given the history of the Smith family.
Chris Rock and Jada have worked together on 3 films, so they know each other. When the joke was made, Jada rolled her eyes and Will laughed, seemed to be fine. And then, a change and up he goes and slaps him. I think Chris thought that with his working relationship with Jada and the fact she has been so open about talking about her condition, that the joke would be just that, not intended with any malice. Apparently not.
Jada screwing a 20 year old and then making a TV miniseries basically saying she was in love and defending it is fine, but a comedian making a joke gets Will riled up. Just seems odd.
And as above, its not a message to be sending kids that this kind of response is OK. I've never been Smiths biggest fan, his interviews just come across as PR managed, I think this is the first time we've ever seen his real character.
Chris Rock and Jada have worked together on 3 films, so they know each other. When the joke was made, Jada rolled her eyes and Will laughed, seemed to be fine. And then, a change and up he goes and slaps him. I think Chris thought that with his working relationship with Jada and the fact she has been so open about talking about her condition, that the joke would be just that, not intended with any malice. Apparently not.
Jada screwing a 20 year old and then making a TV miniseries basically saying she was in love and defending it is fine, but a comedian making a joke gets Will riled up. Just seems odd.
And as above, its not a message to be sending kids that this kind of response is OK. I've never been Smiths biggest fan, his interviews just come across as PR managed, I think this is the first time we've ever seen his real character.
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Glover_elbow
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I think will smith is an odd ball, looking at his wife on the red carpet before the show started she looked in quite a state then, very timid and subservient to Smith. I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear there are control issues and maybe even DV within that relationship.
Zoophonic
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Aye and more people watch Coronation St and Eastenders than anything else but you wouldnt say that was better tv just because they top the ratings.
There are awards for the most popular films. TV Times Awards etc. My point is that whilst I wouldnt have a clue what happened in the 7th movie of the Spiderman franchise for example because they are pretty much all the same, the film Belfast, even if its not your cup of tea, was brilliantly made and thought provoking and will have a lasting legacy on the industry in years to come.
BaronSmoggie
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You need to read into the history of their relationship, you might then think that the positions are reversed.
Abel Tasman
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Fair enough you're a fan of the films clearly. First of all I will say I dislike the superhero Marvel franchise genre. There are reams of discussion on line about it ever since Scorcese called them lazy film making.
I get their popularity though and their cinematic excellence. But I would say they are formulaic in as much as all film genres are formulaic in some way. Rom Coms, anti war films etc. Formulas work. Thats why they attract audiences. Doesn't necessarily make them great films. Wasn't the rom com films of Adam Sandler or Jennifer Anniston always guaranteed top box office takings. Not great films but captured the attention of the paying cinema goer. Depends what you want. But formulaic they are.
fozzylegend
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instead of yelling to get his wifes name out of his mouth he maybe should have asked his wife to take august alsinas D**k out of her mouth
Rofesleg
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It must be a very complicated formula they are using.
It is about art and art is pretentious. It's super pretentious to decide what the "best" film is and completely exclude specific categories. How do you define "Best actor" or "Best film". Surely if the majority of people couldn't sit through it because it is too boring then it can't ever be considered to be the best but it often is by the awards. Comedies never get nominated, nor does action but it is a skill that very few people can get right. Why does best have to mean most realistic/serious?
There are films made to make money and films made to win awards. They appeal to a specific group of people. The films made to win awards are only possible because of the films made to make money so I think there should be some more respect given to the films that people actually enjoy watching.
However, to quote Super Hans: "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people, Jeremy".
There are films made to make money and films made to win awards. They appeal to a specific group of people. The films made to win awards are only possible because of the films made to make money so I think there should be some more respect given to the films that people actually enjoy watching.
However, to quote Super Hans: "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people, Jeremy".
junos_boots
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Arent football matches usually some of the highest viewing figures - maybe one of the Boro's cup wins will get nominated (for a BAFTA anyway) in next years awards season
TheYorkshireTerrier
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My wife's initial reaction to this was why did he feel he had to get up and assault someone to try and defend his wife from a 'joke', regardless of how unfunny you may find it.
Doesn't look great for the supposed Mr Nice Guy look Will Smith has always gone for.
Doesn't look great for the supposed Mr Nice Guy look Will Smith has always gone for.
Cardiffdaffs
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Good against evil. Good almost always triumphs. Easiest formula in the book. Western films of the 50s and 60s followed the same pattern. Great entertainment though.
Marvanelli
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Remarkably, my wife said if I did the same as Smith, she'd have been embarrassed and angry with me for reacting like an animal.
Violence is never the answer.
Chris Rock was wrong to make fun at the expense of Jada, however, slapping Chris Rock is certainly not the answer.
festa5
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All about opinions obviously but I'd argue you've undermined your own point as the marvel films don't all sit under one genre. You seem to be saying their formulaic because all films under one genre tend to be formulaic. But the marvel films don't all sit under one genre.
Some are sci-fi, some are thrillers, some are comedies. There's a war movie in there, a martial arts film etc etc.
I just don't see how they, as a whole, are formulaic. Some of them maybe (avengers, iron man sequels perhaps) but there is a hell of a lot of variety too.
But then if you're not a fan, it's unlikely you've watched most of them and are just lumping them all together as "superhero" movies. Which I think is inaccurate.
Fair enough if you don't like them, be boring if we all liked the same stuff. I just think think accusations of them being "all the same" tend to come from people who have already decided they don't like them because of the premise. As opposed to being based on judging them on their own merits.
Not saying this applies to you. If you've sat through the likes of Guardians, Ragnarok, Black Panther, Winter Soldier and the original Iron Man etc. and felt they were all pretty much from the same formula then fair enough. We disagree.
(can't believe I've written that much, must be bored
. Maybe I should have just wrote "How dare you insult the marvel films").
clay
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I go to a lot of live comedy, and I've had the **** ripped out of me on many occasions. I've never seen a comic make such a lazy cheap shot about a medical condition before, and if they tried that in a small comedy club then I can assure you they'd get more than an open-handed slap.
Cardiffdaffs
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Maybe you should.All about opinions obviously but I'd argue you've undermined your own point as the marvel films don't all sit under one genre. You seem to be saying their formulaic because all films under one genre tend to be formulaic. But the marvel films don't all sit under one genre.
Some are sci-fi, some are thrillers, some are comedies. There's a war movie in there, a martial arts film etc etc.
I just don't see how they, as a whole, are formulaic. Some of them maybe (avengers, iron man sequels perhaps) but there is a hell of a lot of variety too.
But then if you're not a fan, it's unlikely you've watched most of them and are just lumping them all together as "superhero" movies. Which I think is inaccurate.
Fair enough if you don't like them, be boring if we all liked the same stuff. I just think think accusations of them being "all the same" tend to come from people who have already decided they don't like them because of the premise. As opposed to being based on judging them on their own merits.
Not saying this applies to you. If you've sat through the likes of Guardians, Ragnarok, Black Panther, Winter Soldier and the original Iron Man etc. and felt they were all pretty much from the same formula then fair enough. We disagree.
(can't believe I've written that much, must be bored
As you say it’s all about opinions but the general premise that started off this discussion was that “the best films are the ones that top the ratings and should win the awards” is nonsense. In my opinion.