Disabled supporters assistants made to use black season card

Just a topper on this when Gibbo had his little get together with MSF last season to get them to push out his PR for raising prices, one of the things he tried to push on was how many disabled fans had helpers and this was part of his excuse for raising prices.

There's definitely an agenda from the club (or at least Gibbo) at play here. The removal of priority points for helpers has also happened this season don't forget.
 
free_pint said:
Just a topper on this when Gibbo had his little get together with MSF last season to get them to push out his PR for raising prices, one of the things he tried to push on was how many disabled fans had helpers and this was part of his excuse for raising prices.

There's definitely an agenda from the club (or at least Gibbo) at play here. The removal of priority points for helpers has also happened this season don't forget.
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Their free drink too I think?
 
jam69 said:
They are not entering a disabled area,they sit in all parts of the ground, the person sat next to you might have a disability , the point is you wouldnt know, but now you might
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I think the fact some people on here think all people with disabilities sit together in a specific part of the ground is part of the issue and unconscious ignorance when discussing this issue. I don't want to presume, but I'm imagining some people are immediately thinking wheelchair users or people with mobility issues when thinking of disability rather than realising there are countless people with hidden disabilities who may need the support of a carer at times.
 
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free_pint said:
Just a topper on this when Gibbo had his little get together with MSF last season to get them to push out his PR for raising prices, one of the things he tried to push on was how many disabled fans had helpers and this was part of his excuse for raising prices.

There's definitely an agenda from the club (or at least Gibbo) at play here. The removal of priority points for helpers has also happened this season don't forget.
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Personally as a season ticket holder i would be happy for any support assistant to get the exactly the same rights as season ticket holder's including priority points they do a sterling job for the community and should be respected.
 
Whether it's a discrimination issue or not, the decision is baffling when they were planning to make all cards digital this season anyway.
 
Will_Graham said:
There's enough to discuss regarding the card already without throwing this into the pot.
In any case, I honestly doubt Gibson's political views were the reason behind the decision. And I would bet a lot of tories do care about the welfare of disabled people so it is a big assumption to make that Gibson doesn't.
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Evidence of any Tory caring about disabled people in the last 13 years?

I’ll wait….
 
fmttmadmin said:
It isn't the disabled fans Roofie it is the person helping them.
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Hi rob.
Im well aware of that, but once you start separating people out because they care for someone else - it points out they are somehow different.
Its difficult to understand how a black card makes a difference: but when you know how it feels as a disabled person to be "not one of us" - anything like the black card ri-enforces the stigma. Carer or not, they are one and the same with the person they support. Not all disabilities are visible and not all "disabled" people want it to be visible. A little empathy and sensitivity goes a long way to breaking down barriers. In football and life generally, there is a lot of lip-service paid to "inclusivity" and has to be real to have any meaning. This includes not just the Boro.........
 
Alzi said:
I think the fact some people on here think all people with disabilities sit together in a specific part of the ground is part of the issue and unconscious ignorance when discussing this issue. I don't want to presume, but I'm imagining some people are immediately thinking wheelchair users or people with mobility issues when thinking of disability rather than realising there are countless people with hidden disabilities who may need the support of a carer at times.
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Approximately 12% of registered "disabled" people have ambulatory issues, whilst fewer includes those who require the use of wheel-chairs and mobility scooters. The physical aspect of disability - the association with the blue badge and parking spaces close to entrances, are the picture which usually comes to mind when mentioning the term "disabled". This isnt a problem for those to whom these issues are a priority, but those with neuro-divergent conditions, genetic conditions, mental health and complex needs, form a much larger proportion of "disabled" people. Being called "disabled" doesnt define the person. It doesnt define their individual character, personal quirks, sense of humour and outlook on life. What frustrates people who learn and live life with conditions considered "not normal" - is the fact that there is no "normal" and we have to treat people as individuals. Being patronised, stigmatised, marginalised, ignored and being made the butt of "jokes", takes away the dignity and the right to be treated equally. Its not too much to ask.

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r00fie1 said:
Approximately 12% of registered "disabled" people have ambulatory issues, whilst fewer includes those who require the use of wheel-chairs and mobility scooters. The physical aspect of disability - the association with the blue badge and parking spaces close to entrances, are the picture which usually comes to mind when mentioning the term "disabled". This isnt a problem for those to whom these issues are a priority, but those with neuro-divergent conditions, genetic conditions, mental health and complex needs, form a much larger proportion of "disabled" people. Being called "disabled" doesnt define the person. It doesnt define their individual character, personal quirks, sense of humour and outlook on life. What frustrates people who learn and live life with conditions considered "not normal" - is the fact that there is no "normal" and we have to treat people as individuals. Being patronised, stigmatised, marginalised, ignored and being made the butt of "jokes", takes away the dignity and the right to be treated equally. Its not too much to ask.

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Blue Badges were recently made available for people with non-physical disabilities, which was a great step forward.
 
I apologise unreservedly to

Block_4_Eastender​

I was at Hurworth on Thursday and asked questions to get you an answer - I posted my response too quickly without waiting til I got home and was sent the photo of the card. I then posted the card on here because it would have been dishonest not to do that. It was my mistake. I probably asked the wrong question. do disabled now get a black card?
Anyway, does anyone know what colour the card was last season? As Scrote points out there are several colours for season cards and presumably for staff at the Riverside. And maybe just maybe some of the helpers will choose to go digital soon.
Anyway, am not an agent for Boro. I am a fan that tries to build bridges etc. Am certainly not in any way anti carer or disabled. I was away from here this afternoon because I have been volunteering giving carers and care home residents history tours of St Hilda's Middlesbrough. I was also trying to arrange a new fanzine workshop for people with assisted needs, hopefully working with Boro again as we did earlier in the year with Middlesbrough First/Larchfield. It all seems a little ironic.
I know there is so much work going on at the Riverside right now to increase accessibility for all and really make Boro welcoming to able/disabled/assisted needs and take that out into the community.
But I apologise once more for my part in escalating this situation. I will step back now from this.
 
Will_Graham said:
Probably. Though it was the direction of the 'objectional characteristics' comment I wasn't sure of.
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Ah right, here's a few then.

“Almost as soon as the meeting opened, the representatives of the Thai Banks were shouted at by Mr Steve Gibson, a director of the Development Corporation, stating that ‘… I will not recognise the agenda. This meeting will not last five minutes …’ before trying to throw the agenda across the table at the Thai Banks’ representatives. The Development Corporation’s team, then 12, walked out of the meeting after less than half an hour in the meeting room.”

"You're shaking your head, you'll be F***ing shaking it again soon, I'll be F***ing shaking it."

"I want your walls and I want your eyes out of your head; I want the F***ing roof off your house; I want your kids out of private school; I want no shoes on your F***ing feet; that's what is going to happen."

"Do you understand that? You F***ing answer the question. You've got 21 F***ing days and Armageddon is coming."
 
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