Disabled supporters assistants made to use black season card

[newyddion]

It's Newy. Likes to jazz things up a little. No problem when it's team sheets including random players from the South American lower leagues, but crass and insensitive when it's to do with the Holocaust

I mean that's the level were at here.. no problem when JuninhoBurger starts saying friends of young players are worse than Hitler.. then retracts it and says Goebbels.. so that's fine and that's acceptable (apparently)

But making a comparison of 'othering' which is what I believe that the complaint is surrounding.. then that is crass.. not the black cards.. the comparison.. THAT'S insensitive and crass.

 

[Cambsred]

I mean that's the level were at here.. no problem when JuninhoBurger starts saying friends of young players are worse than Hitler.. then retracts it and says Goebbels.. so that's fine and that's acceptable (apparently)

But making a comparison of 'othering' which is what I believe that the complaint is surrounding.. then that is crass.. not the black cards.. the comparison.. THAT'S insensitive and crass.

I would suggest both the cards, and the comparison are crass.

 

[xxlshirts_fit_all]

You are wrong

https://s27807.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/fl_disabled_guide.pdf

The guidance says clearly that free entry for the helper is a reasonable adjustment under the DDA.

Yes, you’re right, my apologies

It does state that the club are entitled to ask the person requiring a PA why they do require one but often it’s just easier to provide the service. Also states that a club are not expected to provide a PA card for a disabled child to allow a parent free access if the club also has a policy that kids under a certain age need to be accompanied…

The issue here now is there are people abusing this system and they’re trying to overcome this,.. but it looks like they’ve done it pretty ham fistedly…

 

[newyddion]

I would suggest both the cards, and the comparison are crass.

but only when I do it.. and only when it concerns the 'othering of our disabled supporters'

not when it's used to defame the character of stephen walkers friends.. then that is fine and acceptable.

 

[Cambsred]

but only when I do it.. and only when it concerns the 'othering of our disabled supporters'

not when it's used to defame the character of stephen walkers friends.. then that is fine and acceptable.

I haven't seen that in fairness. I'm targeting the comment rather than you. But I wouldn't aspire to be like some of the characters on here who seek to inflame. They generally get ignored fairly quickly and reappear periodically.

 

[Muttley]

These cards are being used to identify people because of a personal characteristic.

As "helpers"?

Muttley irregardless if whether it's the helper or the disabled person with the card it's an identifiable difference. Having to explain to someone you are a carer for why they are being treated differently is hard. It's not a badge of honour. That implies folk want thanking for being a carer. A bit of a silly comment that to be honest.

Is not entering the disabled area a bit of a clue?

I think carers should be respected. I did it for my father. I didn't expect to be thanked, but neither was I embarrassed to do it.

I really am struggling to see the issue here. And with that, I shall leave you to it.

 

[Quicksilvera]

What a strange thing to get up in arms about? It’s for the helpers to gain access to the ground? It’s a different colour so what?

 

[fmttmadmin]

I'm still non the wiser after three pages.

Is the card that disabled people use to access The Riverside black, or is the black one issued to "helpers"?

Helpers.
And is presumably different to show it is not a season card.

 

[newyddion]

I haven't seen that in fairness. I'm targeting the comment rather than you. But I wouldn't aspire to be like some of the characters on here who seek to inflame. They generally get ignored fairly quickly and reappear periodically.

I thought my comparison was legitimate and with merit. Sometimes there comparisons can be uncomfortable.. was it extreme or reactionary? Possibly but then for those who this directly effects I imagine it would be much worse. I do find it interesting what people chose to see and what people chose to find insensitive and crass..

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

It's a general problem with the game, isn't it? There's a letter in the latest When Saturday Comes from a guy who tried to attend our League Cup match at Huddersfield earlier in the season with his brother. They rolled up at the ticket office and were denied a ticket because they weren't from the area and the Boro end was sold out. They are both in their 70s and just fancied watching a game of football. There's another letter in this week's Non-League Paper about away fans only being able to buy tickets on line and in advance if they want to go to a game at Banbury. Which is Level Six in the pyramid. And I myself failed to get a ticket for Harrogate Town's game on Boxing Day last as I wasn't able to go through the relevant hoops to show I wasn't a Grimsby Town supporter ffs. It's ludicrous.

I’ve had problems trying to buy tickets for Millwall and Leyton Orient in the past, as I didn’t have any ‘purchase history’ or an ‘online footprint’. I was quite surprised by both but more so the Orient one as I thought they’d be glad of the money. I went to watch Dulwich Hamlet both times instead.

 

[Rofesleg]

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the card colour, the biggest problem for me is one of these:

- Rob being lied to by a senior club official.

- A senior club official being so badly aware of what is going on.

- Rob lieing to the board.

- Rob thinks his contact is a senior official at the club but it is just a chancer pulling his leg.

- No apology given to the opening poster.

 

[Will_Graham]

Sounds like these 'helpers' have been helping themselves to games without their pals.. reaping all the benefits of a season ticket holder.. by being given a free season ticket.

Now the free season ticket has been replaced with an access card.. meaning they don't get all the benefits that a fully paid up season ticket holder would get.

To differentiate the access card and the season card it has been made black and white.. presumably the simplest and most straight forward way to differentiate between the cards and being better for colour blind or partially sighted folks to get to grips with.

HOWEVER!! things are going pretty well with the club and us fans love a pish and moan.. social media will have blown this up out of proportion and now the club are like the nazis making fans wear different colours or patches to differentiate folks dependant on their differences.

Most importantly.. BLACK AND WHITE.. out of all the colours.. NEWCASTLE CARDS.. that's what it is.. FLIPPING MAGPIE CARDS!! GEORDIE CARDS FOR HELPERS!!

I remember some folks kicking off when we dared introduces black and white training gear.. lol.. but also.. GREAT POINT!

How does it help the colour blind? Isn't one of the more common colour blind issues seeing red as black anyway?

 

[newyddion]

How does it help the colour blind? Isn't one of the more common colour blind issues seeing red as black anyway?

not being colour blind myself I hadnt even considered things like that an issue.. someone on here posted up about a kit clashes and choices of kit colours.
pretty sure black and white can be seen and differentiated better than red and white.. i'm guessing the club has been advised on this too as why on earth would they go for black and white otherwise?

 

[Cambsred]

not being colour blind myself I hadnt even considered things like that an issue.. someone on here posted up about a kit clashes and choices of kit colours.
pretty sure black and white can be seen and differentiated better than red and white.. i'm guessing the club has been advised on this too as why on earth would they go for black and white otherwise?

Like that. Never seen it presented like that before. I did not realise red and black would present the same and would never have known.

Fascinating.

 

[newyddion]

Like that. Never seen it presented like that before. I did not realise red and black would present the same and would never have known.

Fascinating.

It blew my mind when someone brought the issue up on here.. looked into it and saw there were actually guidelines on it.

They day of having a Black and White away kit may not be as far away as we'd like to think!! lol

EDIT: Have a look at our most popular kits.. the red ones with the white band.. hmm.. the white away kits.. the blue and black.. the yellow and black was a massive hit.. the blue and day glo yellow.. black kits always look smart. I think there maybe something in it.. the green striped kit throws all of that out of the water.. but worth thinking about anyway.

I've been wondering why there seems to be an increase in yellow goalkeeper tops.. blue, black and even white.. Interesting stuff.

 

[jam69]

Exactly this,
none of the whiners will even know anyone that uses one of these cards,
just the same old people who are sat looking on this site 24/7 with nowt better to do with their lives

Last season the "helpers" card was identical

 

[jam69]

OK so this black and white card is issued to the Helpers, therefore at no point is a disabled supporter "identified" by being issued with a different card. The different cards identify the "able bodied" helpers. You could "almost" say it is a badge of honour you are there helping someone do what they want to do. A positive thing Shirley?

So can someone tell me what the issue is?

Because the disabled fan attends with the helper, it idenfies a person as disabled when they might not want it known, person in front of me pulls out the black card i know the person in front has a disability, many wont mind, some will

 

[jam69]

As "helpers"?

Is not entering the disabled area a bit of a clue?

I think carers should be respected. I did it for my father. I didn't expect to be thanked, but neither was I embarrassed to do it.

I really am struggling to see the issue here. And with that, I shall leave you to it.

They are not entering a disabled area,they sit in all parts of the ground, the person sat next to you might have a disability , the point is you wouldnt know, but now you might

 

[Jedi boro]

Discrimination can be applied indirectly as others have shown.

 

[Emmersons_BrazillianDong]

I mean that's the level were at here.. no problem when JuninhoBurger starts saying friends of young players are worse than Hitler.. then retracts it and says Goebbels.. so that's fine and that's acceptable (apparently)

But making a comparison of 'othering' which is what I believe that the complaint is surrounding.. then that is crass.. not the black cards.. the comparison.. THAT'S insensitive and crass.

I never saw the other post mate. I don't really take much notice of the tittle tattle that goes on. I barely know who's who.