Bernies_quiff
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The things doe people get worked up over, clearly it’s to differentiate between an access card and a season card, end of.
Disabled supporters assistants made to use black season card
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Stocko
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Exactly this,
none of the whiners will even know anyone that uses one of these cards,
just the same old people who are sat looking on this site 24/7 with nowt better to do with their lives
xxlshirts_fit_all
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Does the access card work the same way as a season card, in that you just present it at the turnstile or do you have to show it to a steward to gain access?
I’m not sure there’s much of an issue here? I get that singling someone with a disability is discriminatory but who will even notice this?
The fact there are areas for people in wheel chairs already identifies most people with access issues…
I may be being naive as I’m not in need of assistance…
Do the access cards belong to the person on a disability card or do they belong to the assistant and are they transferable to allow anyone to help those requiring assistance?
I’m not sure there’s much of an issue here? I get that singling someone with a disability is discriminatory but who will even notice this?
The fact there are areas for people in wheel chairs already identifies most people with access issues…
I may be being naive as I’m not in need of assistance…
Do the access cards belong to the person on a disability card or do they belong to the assistant and are they transferable to allow anyone to help those requiring assistance?
BobendBert
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As someone who is very close to this issue I can try and explain. Not all disabilities are visible and often people with invisible disabilities don’t want anyone to know. It’s upsetting to them. This is a means by which their status is being advertised. The card is black and it is different. It’s a bad idea.
xxlshirts_fit_all
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I don’t want to dispute your take on this as you say it’s an issue close to you, but how does this advertise the person? I personally wouldn’t notice someone brandishing it unless they came up and told me or were waving it about in front of me at the turnstile?
To be fair, I’m not entirely sure why it needs to be an obviously different colour?
BobendBert
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You might not but there is a chance that someone does but most importantly the person with the disability now has a fear that it might be noticed.
As a father with a disabled daughter I think this is absolutely horrific. Why on earth would the club go to the lengths of making the access cards a different colour? Just don't have the same NFR stuff and other details on it. I'm sorry Rob but that just isn't right. The club and whoever else signed this off have got this wrong.
mercury_redstone7
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As explained though it isn't the disabled supporter its for whoever helps them. They arent the season ticket holder the disabled person is
For the record I have always found the ticket office stuff really helpful and I know one of them through a working situation years ago.
From what I now asked about the ticket issue, people with PIPS(covers a lot abled bodied too) are allowed to get a disabled person ST and their assistant doesn't pay so isn't named on the ticket. This gives the disabled person a choice of person who can help them if they have a problem with the regular assistant unable to go. If the ST doesn't go to the game the assistant cant use the now identifiable black ticket.
The assistant who can be any person the ST holder wants on the day - as the assistant doesn't pay for the ticket.
Sometimes the disabled person wasn't in the ground at all, but the helper was. I think from what I understand it was getting abused, so the they needed to identify the ST and that its only the named red card holder that used it, and the assistant only used the now black one on the red card holders presence.
Its very much open to abuse if a person with PIPS is asked to just purchase a ST and both tickets are either flogged off or used by others to get a double cheap ticket. I think the camera system was used to identify who is using the paid for ST and if they match up to the ST details.
Its a bit like the clampdown on concession ST, lots of late 20`s and older using them, its upset a lot of people now they have stopped it happening. Should the club do it, and is it wrong of them ?.
For the record I have always found the ticket office stuff really helpful and I know one of them through a working situation years ago.
From what I now asked about the ticket issue, people with PIPS(covers a lot abled bodied too) are allowed to get a disabled person ST and their assistant doesn't pay so isn't named on the ticket. This gives the disabled person a choice of person who can help them if they have a problem with the regular assistant unable to go. If the ST doesn't go to the game the assistant cant use the now identifiable black ticket.
The assistant who can be any person the ST holder wants on the day - as the assistant doesn't pay for the ticket.
Sometimes the disabled person wasn't in the ground at all, but the helper was. I think from what I understand it was getting abused, so the they needed to identify the ST and that its only the named red card holder that used it, and the assistant only used the now black one on the red card holders presence.
Its very much open to abuse if a person with PIPS is asked to just purchase a ST and both tickets are either flogged off or used by others to get a double cheap ticket. I think the camera system was used to identify who is using the paid for ST and if they match up to the ST details.
Its a bit like the clampdown on concession ST, lots of late 20`s and older using them, its upset a lot of people now they have stopped it happening. Should the club do it, and is it wrong of them ?.
ThatFragranceGuy
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Thanks for ending it Bernie but I'm unending it. Everyone, despite Bernie's ending of it, we can all discuss it again until someone else says end of.
ThatFragranceGuy
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You obviously had a queue of better things to do with your time. Oh wait, you're back on here reading this reply as we speakExactly this,
none of the whiners will even know anyone that uses one of these cards,
just the same old people who are sat looking on this site 24/7 with nowt better to do with their lives
Why dont the club make consession cards a different colour too then to easily identify abuse of a season card? Although the club is hoping to move everyone to digital phasing out cards all together arent they?
Upset who? The people who were abusing the system and have been found out?
If the club is monitoring this via cameras (someone said in a previous thread) and are charging said card holder the difference as they have their bank details (not sure how this works if they got it on Finance through a third party) is that right for the club to do or should the club just write to said season card holder and say we have evidence your consession ticket is being abused, consider this a warning and if it flags up again your season card will be deactivated with no refund?
Upset who? The people who were abusing the system and have been found out?
If the club is monitoring this via cameras (someone said in a previous thread) and are charging said card holder the difference as they have their bank details (not sure how this works if they got it on Finance through a third party) is that right for the club to do or should the club just write to said season card holder and say we have evidence your consession ticket is being abused, consider this a warning and if it flags up again your season card will be deactivated with no refund?
Winston Smith
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It’s just one more issue that could needlessly cause anxiety. Football is escapism but adding more labels is essentially another issue that makes disabled people feel different. It’s hard to fathom if you’re not in their shoes so I can understand why people can feel it’s a nonissue but sadly to many neurodivergent children (or even adults) this could be a big deal. It’s sad imo.
mercury_redstone7
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I think they are monitoring who is using the cards Davey, I have given my ticket for others to use as I cant attend at the moment.
It was me told you about a lad who sold his concession ticket he bought as he is a pensioner, but not a ST card holder. He used mine instead as it has a pint on it and flogged his to a young lad outside the north stand ticket office line.
He - a few weeks later in the club, said he was charged by MFC the difference, I wasn't there but will ask him when I return. (unless the kid was stopped by Steward's ? I guessed it must now be monitored by camera, you provided the evidence that there is cameras at the turnstile locations.
I had issues with my ticket last season a few times taking several goes to release the turnstile, I asked for a new card when all this phone lark was happening despite not being able to go, but to let my youngest son use mine when he was home from abroad. They did this and I don't have a phone app, just the card.
It was me told you about a lad who sold his concession ticket he bought as he is a pensioner, but not a ST card holder. He used mine instead as it has a pint on it and flogged his to a young lad outside the north stand ticket office line.
He - a few weeks later in the club, said he was charged by MFC the difference, I wasn't there but will ask him when I return. (unless the kid was stopped by Steward's ? I guessed it must now be monitored by camera, you provided the evidence that there is cameras at the turnstile locations.
I had issues with my ticket last season a few times taking several goes to release the turnstile, I asked for a new card when all this phone lark was happening despite not being able to go, but to let my youngest son use mine when he was home from abroad. They did this and I don't have a phone app, just the card.
viv_andersons_nana
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Another thread that highlights the number of absolutely stupid complexities clubs have concocted to make watching a football match as difficult as possible.
Different coloured cards and tickets, points-based systems, categorised pricing, digital ticketing, booking fees, admin fees, arbitrary deadlines for buying season tickets, early bird prices… I’m sure there will be other ‘initiatives’ and requirements I’ve missed.
All this while charging a £19 - plus a £1.50 booking fee - for kids to get into the north stand for the Southampton game. That would be £54 for an adult and a kid to go and watch Boro play a second division fixture.
All of this is absolutely ludicrous IMO.
Different coloured cards and tickets, points-based systems, categorised pricing, digital ticketing, booking fees, admin fees, arbitrary deadlines for buying season tickets, early bird prices… I’m sure there will be other ‘initiatives’ and requirements I’ve missed.
All this while charging a £19 - plus a £1.50 booking fee - for kids to get into the north stand for the Southampton game. That would be £54 for an adult and a kid to go and watch Boro play a second division fixture.
All of this is absolutely ludicrous IMO.
xxlshirts_fit_all
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It does seem that the summer reset has worked badly for the club both on and off the pitch…
I wonder if they’ve got complacent and thought we were a shoe in for promotion so could do as they pleased as we follow them..
I wonder if they’ve got complacent and thought we were a shoe in for promotion so could do as they pleased as we follow them..
This. It's the extra anxiety at being further identified as different. Utterly thoughtless and crass. I will wear a t shirt next time I'm out with my daughter that says 'I'm with the autistic child'. To an anxious person having something that identifies them as different is the worst possible thing to do.
xxlshirts_fit_all
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This thread goes to show that those of us who don’t have the worries others do, clearly don’t always understand what those issues are…
It’s taught me something about this issue and while I may have an opinion on it it doesn’t mean I should be dismissive of those who are being affected by it…
I will say one thing though… this issue is clearly being amplified by the actions of a minority who are exploiting the clubs goodwill of providing the assistance card for their own gain and necessitating (albieit an I’ll thought out) changes to over come those actions…
Sometimes football fans really do need to look at their selfish actions and self entitlements and decide if they’re the problem not the victim..
It’s taught me something about this issue and while I may have an opinion on it it doesn’t mean I should be dismissive of those who are being affected by it…
I will say one thing though… this issue is clearly being amplified by the actions of a minority who are exploiting the clubs goodwill of providing the assistance card for their own gain and necessitating (albieit an I’ll thought out) changes to over come those actions…
Sometimes football fans really do need to look at their selfish actions and self entitlements and decide if they’re the problem not the victim..
Capybara
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It's a general problem with the game, isn't it? There's a letter in the latest When Saturday Comes from a guy who tried to attend our League Cup match at Huddersfield earlier in the season with his brother. They rolled up at the ticket office and were denied a ticket because they weren't from the area and the Boro end was sold out. They are both in their 70s and just fancied watching a game of football. There's another letter in this week's Non-League Paper about away fans only being able to buy tickets on line and in advance if they want to go to a game at Banbury. Which is Level Six in the pyramid. And I myself failed to get a ticket for Harrogate Town's game on Boxing Day last as I wasn't able to go through the relevant hoops to show I wasn't a Grimsby Town supporter ffs. It's ludicrous.
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