Why would you not take a vaccination?

mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I'm not taking it. Mid 30's, no underlying conditions, fit and healthy, exercise adn eat well, look after myself. Never taken a flu vaccine, prefer not to take vaccines. Risk of me catching Covid and then being very ill is very minimal, no proven evidence (as far as I know - correct me if wrong) that taking the vaccine means you can't pass it on, I work with 2 people that have had either 1 or 2 doses and still relatively recently caught it and gave it to other people. As others mentioned above, I'm very sceptical/anxious at the way this has been rushed through, I'd prefer not to inject myself without something still quite 'unknown' unless it felt absolutely the best option, and I don't.

As others have mentioned, I'm also sceptical of the government and the way this has been handled, and I'm also sceptical of the blanket ban on open discussion on the advantages/disadvantages across the news and social media on the covid situation and the vaccine.

I think a lot of other people have a similar opinion but have been persuaded by the carrot dangling/black mail of potentially not being able to travel/see friends/work in particular jobs/ go to events or football matches without the vaccine. Being effectively coerced into your decision making by the promise/threat of things you can/cannot do is not going to change my mind, I'll do what I think is right for me and deal with the consequences.
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Fair stance. I had a similar hesitant stance until I started to read more about the reduction in chances of being able to pass it on, and that swayed it for me. If it stops you passing it on it has to be worth it, was my conclusion.

Also, my wife is pregnant, so I decided that the balance of risk was tipping further in that direction, rather than get it and pass it on to her (she isn’t getting jabbed yet).

The way that “hesitancy” is somehow becoming frowned upon makes no sense to me. I can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t at least “hesitate” and consider all options. It’s almost like it’s become a competition as to who trusts “medicine” the most.

I would say, though, keep researching, assessing your risk, and keep an open mind. Try not to become dogmatic towards either side of the argument.
 
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mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I'm not taking it. Mid 30's, no underlying conditions, fit and healthy, exercise adn eat well, look after myself. Never taken a flu vaccine, prefer not to take vaccines. Risk of me catching Covid and then being very ill is very minimal, no proven evidence (as far as I know - correct me if wrong) that taking the vaccine means you can't pass it on, I work with 2 people that have had either 1 or 2 doses and still relatively recently caught it and gave it to other people. As others mentioned above, I'm very sceptical/anxious at the way this has been rushed through, I'd prefer not to inject myself without something still quite 'unknown' unless it felt absolutely the best option, and I don't.

As others have mentioned, I'm also sceptical of the government and the way this has been handled, and I'm also sceptical of the blanket ban on open discussion on the advantages/disadvantages across the news and social media on the covid situation and the vaccine.

I think a lot of other people have a similar opinion but have been persuaded by the carrot dangling/black mail of potentially not being able to travel/see friends/work in particular jobs/ go to events or football matches without the vaccine. Being effectively coerced into your decision making by the promise/threat of things you can/cannot do is not going to change my mind, I'll do what I think is right for me and deal with the consequences.
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There is evidence that it reduces your chances aof catching it and it reduces your chances, by 50% I believe, of passing it on. Maybe you should rethink for these reasons alone?
 
Some people trust their immune system, perhaps they have previously tested positive for COVID and don't feel a vaccination is required.

The vaccination is still in clinical trials, and we still have no idea if any of the vaccines will lead to any long term implications, therefore there will be people out there who don't want it until that issue has been cleared up.

Calling people selfish for not having the vaccine does nobody any good. Fair enough if they spout the tin foil hat theories and any disinformation about the science behind these vaccines. As a centrist Liberal, nobody should be coerced to have a vaccine against their will, I have had my jabs as I want to be able to travel internationally again, but I won't vilify anyone who doesn't want it. If you, and your loved ones are all fully vaccinated, and you want to continue with mask wearing and social distancing, then you are in a good position to protect yourself. But, if people want to take their chances, let them be, we are a free country (just about).
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I'm not taking it. Mid 30's, no underlying conditions, fit and healthy, exercise adn eat well, look after myself. Never taken a flu vaccine, prefer not to take vaccines. Risk of me catching Covid and then being very ill is very minimal, no proven evidence (as far as I know - correct me if wrong) that taking the vaccine means you can't pass it on, I work with 2 people that have had either 1 or 2 doses and still relatively recently caught it and gave it to other people. As others mentioned above, I'm very sceptical/anxious at the way this has been rushed through, I'd prefer not to inject myself without something still quite 'unknown' unless it felt absolutely the best option, and I don't.

As others have mentioned, I'm also sceptical of the government and the way this has been handled, and I'm also sceptical of the blanket ban on open discussion on the advantages/disadvantages across the news and social media on the covid situation and the vaccine.

I think a lot of other people have a similar opinion but have been persuaded by the carrot dangling/black mail of potentially not being able to travel/see friends/work in particular jobs/ go to events or football matches without the vaccine. Being effectively coerced into your decision making by the promise/threat of things you can/cannot do is not going to change my mind, I'll do what I think is right for me and deal with the consequences.
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You just crack on and infect other people then, there is evidence that vaccinations reduce transmission.

Down the line, when you are older and become infected when maybe comprised in some way or fall foul to a nastier variant you will expect inpatient care, maybe upto ITU level.

Why should you be able to access that when you have declined the opportunity to prevent it?
 
Mwelolo said:
You just crack on and infect other people then, there is evidence that vaccinations reduce transmission.

Down the line, when you are older and become infected when maybe comprised in some way or fall foul to a nastier variant you will expect inpatient care, maybe upto ITU level.

Why should you be able to access that when you have declined the opportunity to prevent it?
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It's also proven you can still infect people if you've had the vaccination, and if anyone else worried about catching it has had their vaccination, what's the issue?

And right now, I'm not too worried about if's and but's 35 years down the line. Maybe in 35 years time when I am older as you say, I'll re-assess the risks (when the vaccine has been in society a lot longer and the long term health risks have been evaluated properly) and decide then it is the right time to take the vaccine, but right now, for me it isn't. That's the choice every person should be allowed to make.
 
‘It's also proven you can still infect people if you've had the vaccination, and if anyone else worried about catching it has had their vaccination, what's the issue?’

It is proven that the chances of transmitting the infection are reduced by vaccination.

You are obviously not bothered about infecting other people, some of who may not be able to ne vaccinated for medical reasons - not just selfishness.
 
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Mwelolo said:
It's also proven you can still infect people if you've had the vaccination, and if anyone else worried about catching it has had their vaccination, what's the issue?

It is proven that the chances of transmitting the infection are reduced by vaccination.

You are obviously not bothered about infecting other people, some of who may not be able to ne vaccinated for medical reasons - not just selfishness.
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You're jumping to conclusions there, it isn't 'just selfishness' as you put it. I've made some coherent and well reasoned opinions on why I'm not taking the vaccine, which you have chosen to ignore.

Will you continuously choose to wear a mask until the end of time, as it further reduces the risk of you passing it, even if you have had both vaccines as there is still a chance of you passing it onto someone else?

As I've said, I've given coherent arguments to the original posters question. You've just said I am selfish. So what's your answer - should the vaccine be mandatory for all and forced onto everyone?
 
Funky_Chicken said:
Good point apart from no one knows what will happen with mRNA waxxines long term with it being the new kid on the block - someone will come along in a minute and deny that of course



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This link likely won’t completely ease your worries about MRNA vaccines, but it may go some way to informing you a little further about their development and it may provide answers to some of the questions/worries you have.
Hope you find it helpful in some way or even just interesting.

www.oligotherapeutics.org

Facts about COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines and the Decades of Research That Went into Creating Them - Oligonucleotide Therapeutics Society

Despite the global threat of COVID-19, mRNA vaccines, which are highly effective at preventing COVID-19 illness and have passed rigorous safety
www.oligotherapeutics.org www.oligotherapeutics.org
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
You're jumping to conclusions there, it isn't 'just selfishness' as you put it. I've made some coherent and well reasoned opinions on why I'm not taking the vaccine, which you have chosen to ignore.

Will you continuously choose to wear a mask until the end of time, as it further reduces the risk of you passing it, even if you have had both vaccines as there is still a chance of you passing it onto someone else?

As I've said, I've given coherent arguments to the original posters question. You've just said I am selfish. So what's your answer - should the vaccine be mandatory for all and forced onto everyone?
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I’ll stop wearing a mask when the requirement to do so discontinues.

I will do so in the knowledge that I have done all I can to protect myself and other people by taking both vaccinations.

I would like the vaccine to be mandatory for everyone who can take it but realistically that is not practical or achievable.
 
Mwelolo said:
‘It's also proven you can still infect people if you've had the vaccination, and if anyone else worried about catching it has had their vaccination, what's the issue?’

It is proven that the chances of transmitting the infection are reduced by vaccination.

You are obviously not bothered about infecting other people, some of who may not be able to ne vaccinated for medical reasons - not just selfishness.
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Why are you trolling and trying to guilt trip him ? The lad has said he doesn’t want a vaccine, that’s his choice - stop trying to bully and coerce people into doing things they don’t want to do, it won’t work, and it’s much more likely to have the opposite effect of what you want them to do !




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Funky_Chicken said:
Why are you trolling and trying to guilt trip him ? The lad has said he doesn’t want a vaccine, that’s his choice - stop trying to bully and coerce people into doing things they don’t want to do, it won’t work, and it’s much more likely to have the opposite effect of what you want them to do !




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I’m not trolling

I’m expressing my views and giving an opportunity for reflection.
 
Laughing said:
Reflect on this then. You are advocating that injecting people with a pathogen should be mandatory?

Your nuts.
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Oh, I do love your ignorance.

MRNA vaccines don’t contain a pathogen.

That aside, the vast majority of the public are more than happy to be injected with a more traditional Covid pathogen jab, often joining long queues to so,because they know how beneficial it is to them and also because they want to get on with their lives.

As I have pointed out you can not force people to be vaccinated but measures such as Covid passports for travel and large events would be a useful form of coercion which would help us to get on with our lives.
 
Mwelolo said:
Oh, I do love your ignorance.

MRNA vaccines don’t contain a pathogen.

That aside, the vast majority of the public are more than happy to be injected with a more traditional Covid pathogen jab, often joining long queues to so,because they know how beneficial it is to them and also because they want to get on with their lives.

As I have pointed out you can not force people to be vaccinated but measures such as Covid passports for travel and large events would be a useful form of coercion which would help us to get on with our lives.
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It's always a balancing act, between individual freedoms and the need for the state to intervene for the greater good of society.

In the case of any vaccine, it relies on the majority to consent in order to protect the most vulnerable, so individual choice also affects others.

I guess it comes down to whether your choice is driven by your own perceived benefit, or, the the wider benefit of everyone.
 
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