The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

What is this immunity decrease? I guess I needed worry yet as my jab 2 is only 3 days old but haven't seen anything on how bad this is.
There are figures plotted on various charts in studies (I'll see if I can find them later), they know it decreases, as everything always does, they just don't know how much and how fast, basically, as it's only been about 4 months since people started getting second does of AZ (which is critical to us), then it takes a month of that to get immunity up to full speed. So effectively we've got 3 months of data on immunity decrease, which isn't a lot I imagine.

There's talk of some type of antibody waning, but T cells don't wane, they will remember for decades, but don't quote me on that as it's something I read ages ago, and I've zero clue about that to be honest.

Immunity decrease is irrelevant to us though, as we will always have the cash for more vaccines and boosters, and we will most likely end up with a mix and match of various vaccines to get a broader coverage, like how the Pfizer and AZ mad mix is meant to be the nuts.
 
What I’m keen to know is re first jab, the figures that have been quoted re effectiveness vs Delta are 30% after 3 weeks vs 50% vs Alpha.

Now why was that 3 week data point used? Is that maximum effectiveness vs Deta and that’s as good as you’re going to get from it? Or does effectiveness continue to build over weeks 4/5/6 and the 3 week data point was used for another purpose I.e that’a the average length of time those people with one jab had been vaccinated for based on the roll out figures at the time for instance?
I think it was thought that Pfizer takes 2-3 weeks to get up to speed on one dose, and ramped up quick, then you hit your "ceiling" for that dose, until you got it boosted. The charts/ study was not peer-reviewed though (might have been by now), but maybe the reason why Pfizer was at least 3-4 week wait for jab 2 (in the US). The AZ graph looked similar to pfizer, but not as high for one jab, but both ended up similar after two jabs.
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 26,068 new cases reported in 24-hour period, up from yesterday's 20,479
• 7-day average for new cases increases by 8.0% to 19,241 per day, following 7.6% increase yesterday (and 42nd consecutive daily increase)
• 7-day average for new cases is 69.5% higher than one week ago (from 72.3% higher yesterday) and 143.9% higher than two weeks ago (from 132.3% higher yesterday and 89.7% higher 7 days ago)
• 14 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, down from 23 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test decreases by 4.2% to 16.1 per day, following 3.3% decrease yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 11.9% higher than one week ago (from 29.7% higher yesterday) and 71.2% higher than two weeks ago (from 87.3% higher yesterday and 53.0% higher 7 days ago)
Crazy case numbers now :(

These last two days don't even factor into the R calculation yet either, and that's already up at about 1.5.

 
Crazy case numbers now :(

These last two days don't even factor into the R calculation yet either, and that's already up at about 1.5.


True. It's obviously encouraging though that, even as case rates appear to be going through the roof, the hospitalisation, ventilation and death rates are only rising gradually (and at a fraction of what they were at similar stages in previous waves).

As an aside, I'm wondering whether, given the ages of many of the new cases, the 6-week school holidays are going to act like a mini-lockdown for this current wave?
 
True. It's obviously encouraging though that, even as case rates appear to be going through the roof, the hospitalisation, ventilation and death rates are only rising gradually (and at a fraction of what they were at similar stages in previous waves).

As an aside, I'm wondering whether, given the ages of many of the new cases, the 6-week school holidays are going to act like a mini-lockdown for this current wave?
Yeah, definitely. The concern now, is that the changes in deaths could be subtle among the low figure noise, and we wouldn't see death increases at low levels anyway, not based on the low-level cases we've had. As cases rocket, deaths will, albeit comparatively and starting at a very low level, as the link has not been broken, it's just being gradually weakened.

Most in the know seem to reckon the hospitalisations lag after cases is about 10 days, and now we're really getting into cases being noticeable, and increasing rapidly numerically, not just as percentages. Should all become much clearer now and over the next two weeks, with less noise.

The latest daily admissions was 263 on Saturday 26th, so base that on cases from around the 16th, 10 day lag (average was about 10k), and you're at about 2.5% admissions rate. That does seem to be bottoming out at 2%, so if we get to 50k cases (by July 19th, which is likely not the peak), then we're on for 1,000 admissions a day from them (10 days later). Deaths now are based on cases before admissions, so maybe the 5th (so 5k cases). Effectively we were getting 15 deaths from 5k cases, so if we get 50k cases then it's likely going to convert into 100-150 deaths, or something around that.

I don't think many expected us to see numbers like those again, prior to Delta, but that's the road we're on, and I don't think we will come off it as we need the peak of this in August, not Autumn/ Winter. 50k cases would have got us 1k deaths before, so we've come a long way. It's going to suck that we kind of have to just accept 100 deaths a day, but at least that should be near the end of it. It may even burn out sooner, tough to say.

I don't see schools closing making much of a difference (the peak looks like end Aug/ early Sept anyway), the schools seem to be playing by the rules and testing loads, I'd be more concerned with what's going on outside of schools and the "catching" of school cases may actually be helping now, not hindering. The under 25's are the ones least covered, that socialise the most, in groups, so unless something curtails those, then I don't see it stopping. Not saying we should curtail them mind, I think now it just is what it is, we've pretty much done all we can I think, and need this over and done with before winter. Just need to stick to getting people double jabbed ASAP.
 
As an aside, I'm wondering whether, given the ages of many of the new cases, the 6-week school holidays are going to act like a mini-lockdown for this current wave?

I think that is the government's hope
I don't think it is, I think they want the cases to rocket and burn out before Autumn/ Winter, they likely don't see a benefit knocking the wave back, and we would have had the extra month of jabs and immunity build-up, which has probably halved the possible/ probable admissions and deaths.
 
As of 9am on 1 July, 4,828,463 people have tested positive for COVID-19 in the UK.

Positive cases were 27,989 (16,703 on corresponding day last week).

22 deaths were reported today (21 on corresponding day last week).

152,606 deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate (up to 18 June).

44,860,978 have had a first dose vaccination. 141,216 first dose vaccinations yesterday. 33,048,199 have had a second dose. 175,749 second dose vaccinations today.
 
50k per day looks nailed on now, not a case of if, it's just case of when, by the looks of it...and that when could be as early as next week :S
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 27,989 new cases reported in 24-hour period, up from yesterday's 26,068
• 7-day average for new cases increases by 8.4% to 20,853 per day, following 8.0% increase yesterday (and 43rd consecutive daily increase)
• 7-day average for new cases is 71.4% higher than one week ago (from 69.5% higher yesterday) and 148.1% higher than two weeks ago (from 143.9% higher yesterday and 93.5% higher 7 days ago)
• 22 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, up from 14 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test increases by 0.9% to 16.3 per day, following 4.2% decrease yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 10.7% higher than one week ago (from 11.9% higher yesterday) and 46.2% higher than two weeks ago (from 71.2% higher yesterday and 87.3% higher 7 days ago)

7-day average for new cases rises above 20,000 for the first time since 4 February.
 
I think this just shows that we are going to have to learn to live with this virus for a long time yet. We'll reach a vaccination threshold at some point whereby the percentage vaccinated will max out and won't increase. There will always be people who can't be vaccinated, those who won't be vaccinated and those who are bringing infections in via travel corridor s If that number doesn't give us herd immunity then we will have to change the way we go about our lives. Simple things like masking and good hygiene will become more important as will effective testing and making sure that people self-isolate by giving them proper financial support. We absolutely need to start getting some value from the track and trace program or start swinging the axe on those that have failed to deliver.
 
50k per day looks nailed on now, not a case of if, it's just case of when, by the looks of it...and that when could be as early as next week :S

Could certainly have some days with 50k+ cases next week. Might take a few days longer for the 7-day average to reach that level.

The sustained rise in case numbers is almost breathtaking. At the peak in the 2nd wave (having had a mini-lockdown in November), we hit an average of around 60k cases per day, with weekly increases peaking at 60% and fortnightly increases peaking at 120% for just a few days over Christmas.

During this wave, we've been at or around (or even above) those levels of increase for almost a whole month. And there's no sign of it abating.

Of course, the good news is that, when we were last at around 20,000 cases per day in the autumn, we were already experiencing 163 deaths per day. This time around, that number is 16.3 per day, so a 90% reduction in comparison (admittedly based on a small number of data points).
 
Positive test numbers and low numbers of people dying or on ventilation proved the vaccine is doing its job. It was never going to be an on and off switch.

@dooderooni is spot on.
 
That is significant. The link between cases and deaths hasn't been broken but Vaccines have certainly stretched it to (I would say) and acceptable level. If you consider that a: we have to live with COVID and b: we aren't going to have to live with a constant wave on wave of masses of cases. Eventually it'll settle down to background levels with occasional flare ups where we get a more virulent mutation such as the issues we have at the moment with Delta. The future is vaccines and boosters. No different to other infectious diseases.
 
As of 9am on 2 July, 4,855,169 people have tested positive for COVID-19 in the UK.

Positive cases were 27,125 (15,810 on corresponding day last week).

27 deaths were reported today (18 on corresponding day last week).

152,606 deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate (up to 18 June).

45,013,503 have had a first dose vaccination. 152,525 first dose vaccinations yesterday. 33,241,265 have had a second dose. 193,066 second dose vaccinations today.
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 27,125 new cases reported in 24-hour period, down from yesterday's 27,989
• 7-day average for new cases increases by 7.8% to 22,469 per day, following 8.4% increase yesterday (and 44th consecutive daily increase)
• 7-day average for new cases is 73.8% higher than one week ago (from 71.4% higher yesterday) and 157.1% higher than two weeks ago (from 148.1% higher yesterday and 97.2% higher 7 days ago)
• 27 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, up from 22 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test increases by 7.9% to 17.6 per day, following 0.9% increase yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 11.8% higher than one week ago (from 10.7% higher yesterday) and 70.8% higher than two weeks ago (from 46.2% higher yesterday and 80.3% higher 7 days ago)
 
As of 9am on 3 July, 4,879,616 people have tested positive for COVID-19 in the UK.

Positive cases were 24,855 (18,270 on corresponding day last week).

18 deaths were reported today (23 on corresponding day last week).

152,606 deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate (up to 18 June).

45,135,880 have had a first dose vaccination. 122,377 first dose vaccinations yesterday. 33,402,028 have had a second dose. 160,763 second dose vaccinations today.
 
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