Archiestephens_elbow
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Seeing as how in karankas 2 full seasons in the championship we were play off finalists and then won automatic promotion surely it would have made sense to give him a chance to do it again in 17/18
Steve Gibson and the overhaul that never happens
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Seeing as how in karankas 2 full seasons in the championship we were play off finalists and then won automatic promotion surely it would have made sense to give him a chance to do it again in 17/18
starplayer
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The pre charlton incident seemed to ruin his relationship with the hierachy. On reflection he should have walked then. He seemed to come back on Gibsons terms and the divisiveness within the squad seemed to ruin all the team spirit he had built previously. A real shame.
atypical_boro
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Maybe, but at the time we still had a chance of avoiding relegation and I felt Aitor’s head had gone. We maybe wouldn’t have needed another promotion.
We are on for our worst league finish in 30 years, maybe some people should think on that, this season has been an absolute disaster, what resources we’ve had by getting promoted have been ***ed up the wall and the squad we’ve now got is league 1 standard, where are the green shoots things are going to turn around any time soon
atypical_boro
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But you say it as though there is something we fans can/should do about it.
We really have two types of fan. Those who get angry at our plight and want to lay the blame, and those who try to accept the situation for what it is and consider how it could so easily be worse. Neither are “right” but fundamentally Gibson just isn’t universally loved anymore and probably sees owning the club as a total ballache these days. I know I would.
indeedido
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I recognise those two types and the fan base is polarising.
It may be a ballache for Gibson, but largely because he has been punching them himself.
You and I will not agree and I suspect we reflect the two factions pretty well.
atypical_boro
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Very probably. But I don’t really see what constantly blaming Gibson will achieve other than driving him out of the club. I know very few people say they want that, but deep down I wonder if it’s a greater number if people were honest with themselves. I reckon a fair number of our fans want to roll the dice and hope we get lucky with a new owner, and it is a lucky dip, there’s all sorts out there.
Personally I’m happy enough as we are, and I don’t even think we’ll be in League One (if for no other reason than the demise of Wigan). I also can’t bring myself to get angry knowing that it will ultimately achieve nothing and have no impact on the situation.
indeedido
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I think lots of people are hopeful Gibson will suddenly get things right, but in their hearts know he won't.
He won't, he is clueless.
We have an incompetent owner who continues to keep the club afloat but making losses that continue to add up and are owed to him, making the club unsaleable. It's an insane set up.
He won't, he is clueless.
We have an incompetent owner who continues to keep the club afloat but making losses that continue to add up and are owed to him, making the club unsaleable. It's an insane set up.
"We have an incompetent owner who continues to keep the club afloat"
It's all about money. That and FFP.
In 2017/18 the club made an operating loss of 20 million. Covered in part by player sales and no doubt by injections of cash by Mr Gibson. But since FFP came in he can't borrow to invest in the club more than a few million. Why do you think Pulis left? Money. Why has Warnock not discussed terms? Because there's no cash.
So you can rant all you like about Mr Gibson being incompetent etc. but it isn't the "structure" of the club that's buggered, but the finances. Years of supporting players on almost 2 million a year has completely consumed what revenue there was. At least five were on that kind of money at my last count. That ten million is probably more than the club made this year. You can call him "incompetent" for buying crap players, but who wants to come to Boro without financial incentive? If Steve Gibson is guilty of anything it's letting his heart rule his head when it comes to the club.
My guess is the Woodgate appointment and player sales etc. was because we've been holding on financially by our fingertips till this summer, when the dead weight of those big salaries disappears off the budget as contracts expire. Stay up and we might have a chance of rebuilding - though with a much lower salary budget. Go down and the club may not survive. I don't suppose Covid-19 has helped either.
It's all about money. That and FFP.
In 2017/18 the club made an operating loss of 20 million. Covered in part by player sales and no doubt by injections of cash by Mr Gibson. But since FFP came in he can't borrow to invest in the club more than a few million. Why do you think Pulis left? Money. Why has Warnock not discussed terms? Because there's no cash.
So you can rant all you like about Mr Gibson being incompetent etc. but it isn't the "structure" of the club that's buggered, but the finances. Years of supporting players on almost 2 million a year has completely consumed what revenue there was. At least five were on that kind of money at my last count. That ten million is probably more than the club made this year. You can call him "incompetent" for buying crap players, but who wants to come to Boro without financial incentive? If Steve Gibson is guilty of anything it's letting his heart rule his head when it comes to the club.
My guess is the Woodgate appointment and player sales etc. was because we've been holding on financially by our fingertips till this summer, when the dead weight of those big salaries disappears off the budget as contracts expire. Stay up and we might have a chance of rebuilding - though with a much lower salary budget. Go down and the club may not survive. I don't suppose Covid-19 has helped either.
Uwefuchs
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Why are the only options Gibson or Amer?
Uwefuchs
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I don't want him to go but I don't want to become the next Coventry either....languishing in the 3rd division for almost a decade.
I feel we are on a downward spiral as a club and unfortunately I don't think Gibson knows how to turn it round.
If its a choice of sticking and becoming a lower league club or twisting then I'd rather twist.
I think Gibson has got us into this mess so he deserves the chance to get us out of it, but how far do we have to fall until people say they've had enough? I know some on here would accept us being a non league team if it meant Gibson was still in charge but I think the club is bigger than one man. This is Middlesbrough football club not Steve Gibson FC.
Nosmo-King
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A great thread . My thoughts on Gibbo and the running of the club are well known from the other forum. The issue to me is we don’t have the option of continuing in the same vein, we have to change.
as Warnock has come into the club I am sure his opinion of Gibbo will have probably changed- he has alluded to the fact that major changes are needed.
I know Gibbo has his defenders on here. The question I would pose to them is when will they admit we are on a one way ticket to disaster? And, more importantly, what gives them hope he can start making decisions that will benefit the club?
I can’t see it being turnaround by Gibbo. And I would cite years of mistakes,mismanagement, incompetence, and the general malaise that appears to prevail within the club.
As said, change has to happen for the benefit of the club. I can’t see this day. And that is the saddest part of the episode being played out before our eyes
as Warnock has come into the club I am sure his opinion of Gibbo will have probably changed- he has alluded to the fact that major changes are needed.
I know Gibbo has his defenders on here. The question I would pose to them is when will they admit we are on a one way ticket to disaster? And, more importantly, what gives them hope he can start making decisions that will benefit the club?
I can’t see it being turnaround by Gibbo. And I would cite years of mistakes,mismanagement, incompetence, and the general malaise that appears to prevail within the club.
As said, change has to happen for the benefit of the club. I can’t see this day. And that is the saddest part of the episode being played out before our eyes
hopesoboro
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The ruined team spirit that led to promotion?
ticker_tape
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Well Im only going back to Eric Thomas, George Winney, Mike McCulloch, Alf Duffield(did his best),Gibson Joined the Boro Board in 1984
Colin Henderson and all the other members who saved us we owe a debt of gratitude.
Colin Henderson and all the other members who saved us we owe a debt of gratitude.
ticker_tape
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Karanka blew it when he walked out, daft as arses imho.
Surely the first thing Gibson could do to start the overhaul would be to rip out the rotten scouting system we have and put some fresh blood in place, these guys haven’t covered themselves in glory since the days of signing Ayala, friend, Leadbitter, Clayton and Adomah, 5 years hence
Caesium137
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Didn't he say he had some CD ROM's or DVD with databases and ratings of hundreds or thousands of players on from his West Brom days, so if you wanted a leftback you could have a look etc.
Or have I dreamt that?
Pog
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Where was the logic in appointing someone as unintelligent, unqualified and inexperienced as Jonathan Woodgate as manager?
Not only that but to appoint him with very little experience in his backroom team whilst cutting costs and overseeing an overhaul of the playing squad and style of play.
There was zero logic. It was pure stubbornness.
He just wanted someone who wouldn’t rock the boat and would continue with his failed vision for the club.
A total utter disaster. Which so many of us called at the time.