Steve Gibson and the overhaul that never happens

Gibsons only real success has come through throwing cash at problems hes a one trick pony the 90s were great but with FFP he cant buy his way out of situations. Theres never been any long term strategy. Look at the huge team underneath beilsa at leeds everything is dissected to the smallest detail or the clever recruitment system brentford have developed we've never had anything like that and we never will. Gibson promises to change but never delivers
 
Juninho10 said:
In my eyes that's where the downfall started - no way should that badge should have been changed - a part from adding 1876

Ever since then, it has been bad mistake, crisis, bad mistake, lucky promotion - let's face it, bad mistake, crisis, etc
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That act epitomised for me how it was HIS train set . Just like a little one screaming with his arm around the club “ I don’t care , go away it’s MINE “
 
Borobarmy said:
That act epitomised for me how it was HIS train set . Just like a little one screaming with his arm around the club “ I don’t care , go away it’s MINE “
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Thing is, how many times do you hear 'It's his club, he saved us, he can do what he wants' line?! It's certainly the constant mantra from at least one fan I know!
 
If ever a club was ripe (and has been for years) for a proper director of football model it's ours. Whilst Gibson has by and large been pretty successful across his tenure, he's a money man - no more, no less. His primary (only?) function should be to provide funds for the club. This should be supported by a commercial director, tasked with ensuring off-field revenue and a Director of Football tasked with setting the vision and objectives for the club, leading off-field and on-field recruitment and ensuring robust support functions are in place (scouting, medical etc). DoF can have various objectives but making a profit on player recruitment may be a useful starting point? Rationale being that if player's values are increasing it generally follows that on-field performance/results are positive. I think this is the Brentford model?

That said, it's Gibson's money to spend how he wants and he obviously wants to retain control over various aspects of the club (difficult to argue with that!) but his lack of experience in these matters is beginning to become detrimental to the club in my view. A prime example of this being his principled approach of not employing managers under contract elsewhere. This seems like an incredibly antiquated approach to me.
 
He at least sacked Woodgate and brought in somebody that gave us a chance of escaping the otherwise inevitable.
Of course he has made a complete mess of everything since 2017 and most things since 2006 and our squad is now the worst I have seen since the early 80's, but we are where we are, it is what it is.
The last decisions are the ones that matter now.
Woodgate has gone, Warnock is here short term; there is nothing more that Gibson can do to influence things this season.

I'd really hope that Bauser, the recruitment team and the majority of the current squad have gone within the next few short weeks; but to get rid of the players AND have no recruitment team at the same time is I guess impossible; so by definition some of the detritus will still be here next season. Until its all cut loose, the club will continue to decline/struggle.

I'm still delighted Woodgate has gone - even if everything is not all his fault, he was a huge part of the problem.

I wish Warnock all the best - he will need it working with the likes of Assombolonga, Fletcher, Saville, McNair, Shotton and Johnson.
 
Can't be healthy for the success of a club if one man makes ALL the decisions. We've never had a board to challenge him and the only confidante, it seems, was Peter Kenyon and that sojourn ended and we haven't had a peep since. Don't really know how to change things in all honesty. The local media are compliant, in as much as they praise but never seem to question. If you can't look at yourself and see the problems then you're not likely to listen to outsiders!
 
indeedido said:
there is nothing more that Gibson can do to influence things this season
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On a side note, is there 100% official confirmation we can't sign out of contract players and add them to the squad?

Are they classed as unattached if their transfer window is open as the league is finished / abandoned?
 
If he came out and appointed a new decision maker, and said he was stepping back entirely, and it didn't bring about semi-urgent results, people would say he'd made yet another bad decision and still put the blame firmly at his door.

We have an established regime at the club, to change the perception of that regime to the extent that people don't blame him when things go wrong is a near-impossible task.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
Not sure if there are many Henry Moscovitch's around nowadays too!!
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Its a good job we have Gibbo then Mike, we could be in a hell of a lot more trouble. We are just a small provincial area at a poorly supported club thats competing with a lot of other places in England.

Thers lots of clubs that have fared worse than us.
 
atypical_boro said:
If he came out and appointed a new decision maker, and said he was stepping back entirely, and it didn't bring about semi-urgent results, people would say he'd made yet another bad decision and still put the blame firmly at his door.

We have an established regime at the club, to change the perception of that regime to the extent that people don't blame him when things go wrong is a near-impossible task.
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The fact that it's established is the problem. TOO established, too safe and impenetrable.
 
ticker_tape said:
Its a good job we have Gibbo then Mike, we could be in a hell of a lot more trouble. We are just a small provincial area at a poorly supported club thats competing with a lot of other places in England.

Thers lots of clubs that have fared worse than us.
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Or, possibly, we could be in better shape. I love it when this small club, small town line is bandied around. You only 'get big' by growing, by changing, by not sitting on your **** accepting that you're small time.
 
atypical_boro said:
We have an established regime at the club, to change the perception of that regime to the extent that people don't blame him when things go wrong is a near-impossible task.
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The obvious answer would be to stop making horrendous decisions that make the manager and squad worse and worse?

Do the odd interview, let us know what the grand scheme or plan is and take us on that journey with you.

Honestly would anyone on here have sanctioned £6 million for Gestede, £6 million on Fletcher, £9 million on Braithwaite then loaning him out, appointing Woodgate and leaving it as late as he did without sacking him then immediately coming out and saying he was great and there would always be a job for him at the club?
 
ticker_tape said:
Its a good job we have Gibbo then Mike, we could be in a hell of a lot more trouble. We are just a small provincial area at a poorly supported club thats competing with a lot of other places in England.

Thers lots of clubs that have fared worse than us.
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Footballing heavyweights like Burnley, Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford are light years ahead of us currently. Is that by magic or the level of competence of those running the clubs?
 
the long term plan:

take a look at the 2019/20 season and realize that we are unable to compete financially to realistically challenge for promotion. no point dropping £20m on a team to finish one place below the playoffs.. might as well finish one place above relegation we achieve nothing.

what sort of manager would take the job on for a season for one season while the chairman sat on his hands to build up the coffers? no one in their right mi.. step forward village. great opportunity for a rookie with no experience, no budget, no expectations. we have a lot of players coming to the end of their contracts and it would cost a small fortune to get rid and replace. give them the season to run down their contracts and we can start afresh 2020/21

have the team ticking over at a steady 1.1ppg with more than enough leeway for survival.. except it's squeeky bum time as it's going to take us right down to the wire 50 point finish is gonna be tight.

Bring Warnock in for the last few just to drag us over the line and not have a relegation on the young lads CV

2020/21 - lots of high quality players out of contract, we can overhaul the squad with minimal financial disruption and add quality through the 5 loan allocation. next manager will be looking at moving the squad to a 2.0ppg experienced manager on a 2 year deal. Alan Pardew?
 
How about.
Sunderland.
Portsmouth
Coventry
Bolton
Ipswich town

Leeds Utd have spent 16 years out of the top flight
and we could list another 7 or 8 teams in the Championship that arent far off their bones.

Oh and no thats not magic its just football, can you remember when Wolves Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd were in the 4th division?
 
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Depends what the objective of the club is. If it's mid-table/safety in the championship there are a number of managers out there who could achieve that with a fairly modest budget.

If it's anything over and above that, the time for restructure is now.
 
ticker_tape said:
How about.
Sunderland.
Portsmouth
Coventry
Bolton
Ipswich town

Leeds Utd ahve spent 16 years out of the top flight
and we could list another 7 or 8 teams in the Championship that arent far off their bones.

Oh and no thats not magic its just football, can you remember when Wolves Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd were in the 4th division?
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all clubs that suffered from the dreadful decisions made by very ropey chairman. I get that we have to roll the dice in order to compete. I'm looking forward to our next match to be honest and i'm fairy confident about next season.
 
changingman said:
Depends what the objective of the club is. If it's mid-table/safety in the championship there are a number of managers out there who could achieve that with a fairly modest budget.

If it's anything over and above that, the time for restructure is now.
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we can't do anything other than restructure.. too many players out of contract to do anything but.
lets just hope that it's all part of the plan..
 
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