Steve Gibson and the overhaul that never happens

Caesium137 said:
Didn't he say he had some CD ROM's or DVD with databases and ratings of hundreds or thousands of players on from his West Brom days, so if you wanted a leftback you could have a look etc.

Or have I dreamt that?
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Pretty much exactly that.
 
Pog said:
Where was the logic in appointing someone as unintelligent, unqualified and inexperienced as Jonathan Woodgate as manager?

Not only that but to appoint him with very little experience in his backroom team whilst cutting costs and overseeing an overhaul of the playing squad and style of play.

There was zero logic. It was pure stubbornness.

He just wanted someone who wouldn’t rock the boat and would continue with his failed vision for the club.

A total utter disaster. Which so many of us called at the time.
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When you read that it's even harder to understand what Gibson was thinking. I remember the rumours starting about a month before it was officially confirmed. Pretty much most people had a feeling it would be a disaster.
 
Uwefuchs said:
I don't want him to go but I don't want to become the next Coventry either....languishing in the 3rd division for almost a decade.

I feel we are on a downward spiral as a club and unfortunately I don't think Gibson knows how to turn it round.

If its a choice of sticking and becoming a lower league club or twisting then I'd rather twist.

I think Gibson has got us into this mess so he deserves the chance to get us out of it, but how far do we have to fall until people say they've had enough? I know some on here would accept us being a non league team if it meant Gibson was still in charge but I think the club is bigger than one man. This is Middlesbrough football club not Steve Gibson FC.
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Even I would be concerned That he’d managed to make us a non-league club inside 30 years as chairman, if it happened. Or a club who are always in tier 3 or 4, if that happened.

But as things stand today, by Hook or by crook, I’m convinced we’ll be in the Championship next season.
 
Nero said:
When you read that it's even harder to understand what Gibson was thinking. I remember the rumours starting about a month before it was officially confirmed. Pretty much most people had a feeling it would be a disaster.
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I think Gibson's thinking was appoint someone cheap lower the wage structure at the club, with the thought we will can comfortably survive midtable. I dont think fans realise how bad the financial situation the club is in at present. Gibson was trying to wing staying in the division whilst decimating costs which appears to be a necessity, very much like the southgate tenure. Unfortunately history is repeating itself but this time the clubs going to be left in a financial disaster if relegation happens.
 
Glover_elbow said:
I dont think fans realise how bad the financial situation the club is in at present
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"The club is well run and we're in a good financial state so we will have more resources going into next season than any other Championship club."

“Over the past 18 months Tony has been proactive, not only in the ambition to win football matches and promotion to the Premier League, but also in addressing our financial position in order to comply and respect the Championship Fair Play criteria. He has ensured that the club is stable and strong for the future. He leaves us in excellent condition.

Q: We heard Jonathan mention the Financial Fair Play rules there. That being said, if you do have the ability to back the manager in the transfer market, will you?

Of course we will, yes. We have a history of doing that don’t we?"

Guess who made those statements?

It is things like this that annoy people, if we're broke because of financial mismanagement just tell us.
 
Well Gibson has bankrolled the club since he became Chairman, we are poorly supported and a lot dont go anymore and put nothing into the club. We all as supporters can help the club.
 
br14 said:
"We have an incompetent owner who continues to keep the club afloat"

It's all about money. That and FFP.

In 2017/18 the club made an operating loss of 20 million. Covered in part by player sales and no doubt by injections of cash by Mr Gibson. But since FFP came in he can't borrow to invest in the club more than a few million. Why do you think Pulis left? Money. Why has Warnock not discussed terms? Because there's no cash.

So you can rant all you like about Mr Gibson being incompetent etc. but it isn't the "structure" of the club that's buggered, but the finances. Years of supporting players on almost 2 million a year has completely consumed what revenue there was. At least five were on that kind of money at my last count. That ten million is probably more than the club made this year. You can call him "incompetent" for buying crap players, but who wants to come to Boro without financial incentive? If Steve Gibson is guilty of anything it's letting his heart rule his head when it comes to the club.

My guess is the Woodgate appointment and player sales etc. was because we've been holding on financially by our fingertips till this summer, when the dead weight of those big salaries disappears off the budget as contracts expire. Stay up and we might have a chance of rebuilding - though with a much lower salary budget. Go down and the club may not survive. I don't suppose Covid-19 has helped either.
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ticker_tape said:
Well Gibson has bankrolled the club since he became Chairman, we are poorly supported and a lot dont go anymore and put nothing into the club. We all as supporters can help the club.
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We can, but blowing over £70 million since relegation is going to have to be a lot of burgers and scarves for us to pay that back.
 
ticker_tape said:
ST money helps, the more fans the better thats the least we can do as supporters.[

19th highest in the all time attendance league, over 30000 average last time in the Prem. It’s Gibbo that is killing the interest. Bit of course that doesn’t suit your agenda.
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br14 said:
"We have an incompetent owner who continues to keep the club afloat"

It's all about money. That and FFP.

In 2017/18 the club made an operating loss of 20 million. Covered in part by player sales and no doubt by injections of cash by Mr Gibson. But since FFP came in he can't borrow to invest in the club more than a few million. Why do you think Pulis left? Money. Why has Warnock not discussed terms? Because there's no cash.

So you can rant all you like about Mr Gibson being incompetent etc. but it isn't the "structure" of the club that's buggered, but the finances. Years of supporting players on almost 2 million a year has completely consumed what revenue there was. At least five were on that kind of money at my last count. That ten million is probably more than the club made this year. You can call him "incompetent" for buying crap players, but who wants to come to Boro without financial incentive? If Steve Gibson is guilty of anything it's letting his heart rule his head when it comes to the club.

My guess is the Woodgate appointment and player sales etc. was because we've been holding on financially by our fingertips till this summer, when the dead weight of those big salaries disappears off the budget as contracts expire. Stay up and we might have a chance of rebuilding - though with a much lower salary budget. Go down and the club may not survive. I don't suppose Covid-19 has helped either.
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"Cash injections" by Gibson would have been shown in the Accounts as either Undertakings in Creditors, or as Equity injected. Nett undertakings reduced that year and there was no equity injection.
The player sales did offset operating loss which was in itself mainly created by the amortisation of the players in the squad and their wages, but the bit that gets me is Gibson should get no sympathy for the toxic wage bill, as he approves the contracts and the signings.
He does enable the club to continue through guarantees, but they are loans only; required because of his ridiculously bad decision making.
Dress it up however you want, you can not dispute what is in the published accounts.
 
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Its not at the moment though is it, a lot just stand at the sidelines abusing the chairman and put nothing in at all.
 
We are 11th in league average this season. Considering the crap that has been served up that isn’t too shabby. His decisions, his actions are responsible for the current apathy. What does he do to attract fans with walk up prices? Offers them some of the highest costs.

really sound business practice. Failure doesn’t appear to bother him
 
ticker_tape said:
Its not at the moment though is it, a lot just stand at the sidelines abusing the chairman and put nothing in at all.
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FFS Ticker you're a decent poster but you seem to be coming round to the idea that the perilous financial state of the club is to do with the fans when we've squandered (or the primary decision maker has) about £130 million in four years. How much revenue do you think ticket sales bring in?
 
ticker_tape said:
Its not at the moment though is it, a lot just stand at the sidelines abusing the chairman and put nothing in at all.
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Gibson has had absolutely zero abuse at the matches. He is criticised online and that is fair; nobody should be above criticism.
Gibson has affection even from his biggest critics for what he did - and for the funding he stills enables; but it would be a huge mistake to think it is a few bitter and twisted onlookers who have sneaky digs from afar.

I think many of his biggest online critics are big supporters of Middlesbrough FC, season ticket holders and with history of providing the club with significant revenue.
I also believe there would be a lot who would meet him and say it to his face, rather than snipe online. I most certainly would.
I believe the problem is however that Steve Gibson isn't remotely interested in what anybody else thinks about anything. I say this as having reasonable experience.
 
He owns the football club Nosmo, he does his best for the club and the community. We have two bob accountants blathering about how bad he is when they done b***r all themselves.

All we can do is support the club by buying ST and go or support them anyway we can buying tops and bits of paper,.
If you look at the Chairmen and boardroom members of the past nobody gets anywhere near Gibsons commitment. I could go on and on about how we have failed in the past even when we have had good prospects,but whats the point the hatred is beyond going back on.

We arent doing well and I accept hes made some big errors, Southgate, Monk, Pulis, Woodgate, and we are hoping Warnock doesnt become another one, but hes too old for next season imho.

We do need him to get things on track and rebuild the clubs establishment, I think he can.
 
ticker_tape said:
We have two bob accountants blathering about how bad he is when they done b***r all themselves.
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And there it is. The standard defence, you're a no mark, Gibson knows best, you put your money in if you can do better.

ticker_tape said:
We do need him to get things on track and rebuild the clubs establishment, I think he can
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So you now agree we're off track, failing and need a rebuild?

That's all everyone else is saying, but after the last 4 years the majority on this thread seem to think he needs some outside assistance to make better decisions.
 
ticker_tape said:
He owns the football club Nosmo, he does his best for the club and the community. We have two bob accountants blathering about how bad he is when they done b***r all themselves.

All we can do is support the club by buying ST and go or support them anyway we can buying tops and bits of paper,.
If you look at the Chairmen and boardroom members of the past nobody gets anywhere near Gibsons commitment. I could go on and on about how we have failed in the past even when we have had good prospects,but whats the point the hatred is beyond going back on.

We arent doing well and I accept hes made some big errors, Southgate, Monk, Pulis, Woodgate, and we are hoping Warnock doesnt become another one, but hes too old for next season imho.

We do need him to get things on track and rebuild the clubs establishment, I think he can.
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And an awful lot of us don't think he can - hence the increasing noise.
 
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