bear66
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It was probably 94% of what two doses would give then. So less than 75%.Not sure bear it was figured that were quoted by our government when the one dose for 3 months was touted.
It was probably 94% of what two doses would give then. So less than 75%.Not sure bear it was figured that were quoted by our government when the one dose for 3 months was touted.
Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely.Today is herd immunity day!
Possibly Bear, though that is not how my aged memory recalls it. I think the language used was "as effective after 3 weeks". In any event my point is, what is the risk today for a 55 year old with no underlying health problems after having had 1 dose of vaccine. Whats the risk to an 85 year old with 2 doses.It was probably 94% of what two doses would give then. So less than 75%.
Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely.
So unlikely to have any more cases from today!
It looks as if Primark and barbers are carrying out a trial to confirm if this is the case.
Perhaps it comes from this paper which suggests 76% efficacy from one dose and 81.3% with two doses with a 12 weeks between doses.Possibly Bear, though that is not how my aged memory recalls it. I think the language used was "as effective after 3 weeks". In any event my point is, what is the risk today for a 55 year old with no underlying health problems after having had 1 dose of vaccine. Whats the risk to an 85 year old with 2 doses.
I'll be honest I don't know. SAGE almost certainly do.
Johnson is playing a game with us to maintain emergency legislation. I have no problem with maintaining the current regulations, if someone shows me the data that suggests it is required to get risk down to a more normal level of risk that we live with every day.
All that misses the point that the government are sounding out legislation that tells us where we can hug. It is ludicrous. It plays into the governments hands to have us all afraid.
Maybe bear, as I say, I don't really recall, though I do know I read that article.Perhaps it comes from this paper which suggests 76% efficacy from one dose and 81.3% with two doses with a 12 weeks between doses.
The really odd thing is they suggest the overall efficacy would be 55% with the second dose less than 6 weeks after the first. (I think I'm reading it correctly!) Most countries aren't following the 12 week second dose.Maybe bear, as I say, I don't really recall, though I do know I read that article.
Even with those figures the rise in efficacy between 1 and 2 is quite small, whilst still having a potential impact, admittedly.
There have been what nearly 5,000 deaths among the under 60's with covid on the death certificate. We don't know what the fatality rate is because we don't know how many have had covid, but if you are under 60 your chances of dying from covid are very small. If you are over 55 you will now have had at least 1 dose, or been offered one. If you are in the extremely high risk categories you have had 2 doses.
A risk analysis should have been carried out so we can assess our own risk and decide how best to manage that risk,
I suspect we maybe getting to the point where we dont actually require governmental intervention now within our own borders.
The 'man hug' is not for me either. For decades a handshake or simple hello was enough, they both still are for me.I'm quite happy not to be hugged indoors or outside. It is a practice I abhor
Half of my family get it - the other half think I'm strange
Don't forget about the often misused fist bump.The 'man hug' is not for me either. For decades a handshake or simple hello was enough, they both still are for me.
Going to be weird going back to meetings in the summer, when people won't know whether to shake hands, fist bump or just do nothing.Don't forget about the often misused fist bump.
Aye, it is, construction is quite archaic though, from those on-site at least. The back end is a bit more "modern", but not by much.Shaking hands is quite archaic I have done it for work and with my dad and fil.
An hello is just a good unless you carry a sword.
You can't use one day's statistics Redwurzel. 7 day average is currently 36 deaths per day.We should have some real stats from the general population on first doses by now i.e how many vaccinated in January have caught Covid19? of those how many hospitalised and of those how many have died.
I would expect a dramatic drop in deaths in the elderly population and frontline health workers by now.
I know only 7 people reported dead in the UK on Sunday - ordinary flu normally kills more than that per day.
You're right BoroFur, but I don't think that is what Redwurzel is suggesting. Some data over time, tracking vaccinated folks and the rate of infection and ultimately mortality rate.You can't use one day's statistics Redwurzel. 7 day average is currently 36 deaths per day.
It was just the comparison to flu deaths and numbers thereof I was picking up on. If we're doing comparisons the correct data needs to be used.You're right BoroFur, but I don't think that is what Redwurzel is suggesting. Some data over time, tracking vaccinated folks and the rate of infection and ultimately mortality rate.
This would be really useful to get a picture of how effective vaccinations are going to be in saving lives. We have what, 30 million first dose vaccinations and about 7 million second doses.
We should be able to provide some data for these people so we can get a clearer picture of where we are now and where we will be in 3 months or 6 months.
You might be forgiven for thinking the government don't want us to know.