Herd Immunity

[Laughing]

It's not only their risk though, they might not kill their granny, but they might kill someone else's.

I'd never have a hug again if it meant some random person I've never met could get to keep a loved one for another 10 years or so.

I'm not saying any of us fully understand, so we should all follow the guidance of science, which hopefully is where all this is stemming from.

Hopefully, BoJo the clown has learned to stop listening to DC, hence why he got the boot, and has started to listen to science. Had we done that from the start, and even if people had been more cautious off their own backs then we wouldn't have half the deaths. People undermining, and taking on increased risks won't help.

I am not sure your equivellance works.

You seem to be suggesting that it is OK to live the rest of our lives in isolation so no one dies of covid. Bonkers Andy. People die of viruses every single day and we each manage our own risk.

The world has gone mad.

 

[Andy_W]

I am not sure your equivellance works.

You seem to be suggesting that it is OK to live the rest of our lives in isolation so no one dies of covid. Bonkers Andy. People die of viruses every single day and we each manage our own risk.

The world has gone mad.

I'm not saying that at all, I'm not saying anything like that. I'm saying follow the guidance. Wait another couple of months until more have had their second jabs and had more time to build up immunity. That would also be closer to summer months, so less chance of breakouts and also, more adults will have had a first jab so we would be closer to herd immunity.

People do die of viruses every day, we've had 100k more than normal in the last year, but we've not had a pandemic on this scale for decades, so it's not too much to ask to be a bit more careful.

People also pay the price because other selfish clowns can't manage their risks correctly, risk is not just born by the individuals, I wish it was.

 

[Randy]

I'm not saying that at all, I'm not saying anything like that. I'm saying follow the guidance. Wait another couple of months until more have had their second jabs and had more time to build up immunity. That would also be closer to summer months, so less chance of breakouts and also, more adults will have had a first jab so we would be closer to herd immunity.

People do die of viruses every day, we've had 100k more than normal in the last year, but we've not had a pandemic on this scale for decades, so it's not too much to ask to be a bit more careful.

People also pay the price because other selfish clowns can't manage their risks correctly, risk is not just born by the individuals, I wish it was.

So I'm a selfish clown for giving my mum a hug when she was upset?

Says more about you than anybody else.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Anybody waiting for permission off of a government to give their own mother a hug instead of using their own judgement is crazy.

I wouldn’t ask for permission personally, I works use my own judgement

but it’s not up to the government and it’s advisers to tell people use their own judgement

 

[Andy_W]

So I'm a selfish clown for giving my mum a hug when she was upset?

Says more about you than anybody else.

I'd personally rather be upset for a month than have someone else die 10 years early, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Randy]

I'd personally rather be upset for a month than have someone else die 10 years early, but maybe that's just me.

Alas we are both still here. One of us vaccinated too. All good here.

 

[Andy_W]

Alas we are both still here. One of us vaccinated too. All good here.

Either of you could still be an asymptomatic carrier and pass it onto someone else less fortunate, or equally if 100 people do the same, one of them could lead to someone losing 10 years of their life.

I don't think a hug is worth it, not yet, but hey ho.

 

[BoroFur]

UCL's herd immunity claim is being disputed.

Britain will on Friday achieve herd immunity from Covid-19, according to a forecast from scientists at University College London – which was no sooner made than disputed.

Scientists from other institutions argued that the modelling was wrong and the approach had a history of “over-confident and over-optimistic predictions”.

And I'm just reporting the news, not necessarily agreeing with it.

UCL team’s claim that herd immunity set to be achieved draws criticism

Many scientists critical of University College London Covid-19 forecast as ‘over-confident and over-optimistic’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Randy]

Either of you could still be an asymptomatic carrier and pass it onto someone else less fortunate, or equally if 100 people do the same, one of them could lead to someone losing 10 years of their life.

I don't think a hug is worth it, not yet, but hey ho.

Again I take a lateral flow test once a week. My wife is also tested once a week both connected with her job.
They've been negative every week.

It’s also unclear to what extent people with no symptoms transmit SARS-CoV-2. The only test for live virus is viral culture. PCR and lateral flow tests do not distinguish live virus. No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use.678 As things stand, a person who tests positive with any kind of test may or may not have an active infection with live virus, and may or may not be infectious.9


Searching for people who are asymptomatic yet infectious is like searching for needles that appear and reappear transiently in haystacks, particularly when rates are falling.19 Mass testing risks the harmful diversion of scarce resources. A further concern is the use of inadequately evaluated tests as screening tools in healthy populations.20

Asymptomatic transmission of covid-19

What we know, and what we don’t The UK’s £100bn “Operation Moonshot” to roll out mass testing for covid-19 to cities and universities around the country raises two key questions. How infectious are people who test positive but have no symptoms? And, what is their contribution to transmission of...

www.bmj.com

 

[Randy]

UCL's herd immunity claim is being disputed.

Britain will on Friday achieve herd immunity from Covid-19, according to a forecast from scientists at University College London – which was no sooner made than disputed.

Scientists from other institutions argued that the modelling was wrong and the approach had a history of “over-confident and over-optimistic predictions”.

And I'm just reporting the news, not necessarily agreeing with it.

UCL team’s claim that herd immunity set to be achieved draws criticism

Many scientists critical of University College London Covid-19 forecast as ‘over-confident and over-optimistic’

www.theguardian.com

It's the wonder of science.

Disputing findings should be welcomed.

 

[Laughing]

Please do let us know when we can all hug again Andy won't you.

 

[Funky_Chicken]

Ignoring for a minute whether hugging indoors increases the risk of transmission. What? I mean really we are going to allow legislation to dictate where we can hug.

I'm oot

Absolute fecking madness isn’t it - 7.8 billion people on the planet an only a tiny fraction of them have actually had Covid. We’ve shut down most of the world for over a year for something that kills about 0.2% of the people who get it - bonkers

 

[Andy_W]

Please do let us know when we can all hug again Andy won't you.

I'll leave that to the experts, and then probably personally take even more caution because hugs don't save lives and don't help drive the economy/ fund people, but preventing covid spread does help these.

 

[Andy_W]

Absolute fecking madness isn’t it - 7.8 billion people on the planet an only a tiny fraction of them have actually had Covid. We’ve shut down most of the world for over a year for something that kills about 0.2% of the people who get it - bonkers

There's probably been over a billion infections already and already over 3m dead because of this pandemic, and that's with most of the responsible countries taking protective measures, albeit slow ones, in most cases.

The world isn't shut down, and hasn't been anywhere near shut down for a year.

IFR isn't 0.2%.

There are also long term effects from long covid, other as yet unknown issues, effects on other areas of healthcare, effects on other family members etc.

Had the measures not been taken then we would be in the same situation as Brazil, if not worse.
It's hitting India big now too, home to 1.4 billion people, how do your think they are going to fare?

 

[Laughing]

I think you may be on your own with this one Andy

 

[the_smog_chorus]

I think you may be on your own with this one Andy

Let’s hope he is.

No hugging indoors
Kids wearing masks in class
Sit outside a pub
Fathers walking behind the bride
Bride and groom not allowed to kiss
Overseas travel ban unless renovating your second home
This isn’t following science. It’s following quack behavioural psychology.

 

[Laughing]

I wouldn't mind so much, but the list of errors goverrnment advice has wrought would be comical if it hadn't cost so many lives, but Andy thinks this time they are right.

 

[Randy]

Where's @Statto1 been lately. I know he/she had an opinion on herd immunity?

 

[Funky_Chicken]

There's probably been over a billion infections already and already over 3m dead because of this pandemic, and that's with most of the responsible countries taking protective measures, albeit slow ones, in most cases.

The world isn't shut down, and hasn't been anywhere near shut down for a year.

IFR isn't 0.2%.

There are also long term effects from long covid, other as yet unknown issues, effects on other areas of healthcare, effects on other family members etc.

Had the measures not been taken then we would be in the same situation as Brazil, if not worse.
It's hitting India big now too, home to 1.4 billion people, how do your think they are going to fare?

How do you work out there’s been a billion infected - if that’s correct then 2.9 million dead still works out at less than 0.3% death rate

 

[Jostler]

Seeing my parents for the first time since September, next weekend and I can’t wait.

There’s no way I could stop them hugging their grandson if I wanted, the last time they got to was almost half his life ago.

I feel it’s a risk worth taking especially as for the first time in a year there was ZERO new cases in our whole county yesterday