Herd Immunity
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the_smog_chorus
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There were 608,002 deaths in England and Wales in 2020.
The 608,002 deaths figure works out as around 10.2 deaths per 1,000 people.
In 1999, the rate was 10.7, in 2000 it was 10.3, and from 2001-2003 it was 10.2.
The death rate was higher every year between 1991 and 2000 than in 2020, so 2020 had the joint-11th highest death rate over the past three decades.
The 608,002 deaths figure works out as around 10.2 deaths per 1,000 people.
In 1999, the rate was 10.7, in 2000 it was 10.3, and from 2001-2003 it was 10.2.
The death rate was higher every year between 1991 and 2000 than in 2020, so 2020 had the joint-11th highest death rate over the past three decades.
Funky_Chicken
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Very interesting stats there, and ones that most people will be totally unaware of
bear66
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I think most people in the country new that life expectancy was increasing . . . . until it fell for the first time in 2020 in 70 years.Very interesting stats there, and ones that most people will be totally unaware of
Funky_Chicken
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homersapien
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The numbers are available here
2020 may be the 11th highest in the last 30 years but is also the highest rate of deaths per 100,000 in more than 15 years.
in the three decades the number of years where deaths were more than 1,000 per 100,000 were:
1990-1999 10
2000-2009 4
2010-2019 0
and then in 2020 it went back up above 1,000
the_smog_chorus
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But you agree with the statement of @MolteniArcore that "a staggering amount of excess deaths was recorded in 2020".
bear66
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I put up a graph showing the staggering number of excess deaths earlier in this thread, including the 12 thousand plus excess deaths in the first few months that weren't registered as Covid.
Randy
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We're they all covid like?
bear66
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We'll find out in a future public enquiry. "Why were care home excesse deaths so high in the middle of a covid epidemic but not due to covid?" is the question that needs answering.
MolteniArcore
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It was obviously a global conspiracy not a global pandemic... the one where all worldwide Governments decided to ruin their economies whilst China's grew so they could cement their position in the world...
NYboro
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You think we'll get a public enquiry while this lot are in power? It will be yet another "independent" enquiry.
bear66
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Labour plus a lot of Tories are hostile to the government's epidemic approach (generally for different reasons), so I believe a public inquiry will take place. It'll be too late for resignations / sackings and any apologies will ring hollow, but hopefully the truth comes out on the decision making process.
Redwurzel
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Before the Flu vaccine (year 2000) - hundreds were dying from Flu every week, but we did not have the daily dramatics we have now. I realise CoVid19 has the potential to wipe out up to a half a million people in this country, but we have had three long lock downs now.
Andy_W
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Andy_W
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Like others have mentioned, life expectancy is/ should be rising. Even though the expectancy increase has slowed since 2010, it is still trending up, and should be increasing by about 0.15% per year. By 2100 expectancy should be that people should live to around 92.
Why would you be looking back at 20-30 years ago? Why not concentrate on the most accurate and relevant timeframe of the last 5-6 years, which also allows plenty of time for variance? Also, more importantly, we hit that rate with extremely restrictive measures in place (the most restrictive for decades), it could have been a million, had we done nothing and had we overwhelmed the NHS. People die more, without treatment/ nurses etc.
The average "time" that has been taken by each covid death has been averaged out at around 10 years, but this isn't factoring in for long covid (which will no doubt do some long term damage also).
Andy_W
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It's strange how some don't care to even try to explain those, the ones we did not test or the ones that die after 28 days, yet they gladly talk about someones aunties sisters brother in law, who got ran over and it apparently got put down as covid. For every 1 person that they wrongly listed as covid I bet there's 10 that were missed, especially in the early days when we had no/ limited tests.
Can't fake the excess deaths numbers.
Andy_W
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The thing is some people actually believe that, absolute cuckooIt was obviously a global conspiracy not a global pandemic... the one where all worldwide Governments decided to ruin their economies whilst China's grew so they could cement their position in the world...
The flu vaccine was around way, way before the year 2000. Since the 1930’s, in fact.
History of the Flu Vaccine
According to the Nuffield Trust:
Adult flu vaccination coverage
Even though there were a couple of years of high winter excess deaths in the 90's the numbers never exceeded 50,000 (and were sometimes much lower) - nowhere near the death toll we've seen from Covid in just over a year (127,000).
Also, flu was (and is) a known quantity with more or less predictable numbers, an established treatment methodology and an existing vaccine.
Not comparable to this novel coronavirus at all.