Central Middlesbrough & Parliament Road

dorivasmiddlefinger said:
It infuriates me when local politicians pose for photos and actively encourage refurb of those street houses in and around Gresham. There needs to be serious slum clearance and regeneration on a massive scale in every town and city in this country. Rows and rows of densely packed and poorly insulated are not fit for 21st century living and do not fit in with our net zero targets.
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Half of Gresham has been demolished. It really is not such a massive area anymore.
My heart goes out to the poor woman running the homeless cafe. There are people doing such great work. They are worthy of so much more support.
 
Fifty years ago all my family except me lived in that area and I visited most weeks people were so friendly on a recent visit to Parliament Road it was a shock to see how much rubbish was piled up on the streets and how scruffy the houses had become. Slum clearance is about right
 
Osboro said:
By the time you get down to user it’s an illness not a crime.
Crime is a result of the illness.
We need a complete replan of how we deal with users.
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And a more efficient way of sentencing dealers. For every £1000 they make what's the true cost to the NHS, effects of crime (both policing and thefts) and also human costs in terms of lost lives and the effects on family members too?
I'd like to see sentencing linked to proceeds of crime calculations for dealing with the bar set low, eg 1 year without parole for every £5k of proceeds. Sadly they don't catch those running the drugs gangs often enough but when they do I'd lose no sleep if they got life without parole. They will have had a detrimental effect on a huge number of people's lives through their greed.
 
Around 2015 Middlesbrough seemed to improving dramatically. There were lots of restaurants, micro pubs and independent businesses opening. There were also big plans for things such as a new transport hub, media city, snow centre and many other things. Not sure what happened but progress just seemed to stop. It was happening before the pandemic, but the decline has obviously turbocharged during the last couple of years.

The one thing I could never understand is the constant praise and publicity that Ben Houchen has received. Much of the decline seemed to coincide shortly after Houchen was elected. His priority has always been on Teesside Airport which is a money pit.

As far as Middlesbrough goes, it does look a bit like a lost cause and it's getting worse. The town needs huge political will in its favour from Westminster and strong local leadership. Unfortunately neither is present and it's unlikely to change anytime soon.
 
How to get addicts off crack and heroin and stop comitting crime? God knows, I imagine its very difficult but probably a lot easier to stop them ever taking it in the first place and becoming addicted through youth education and opportunity. Save the next generation from the same fate if we can.
 
Sãu Paulo said:
How to get addicts off crack and heroin and stop comitting crime? God knows, I imagine its very difficult but probably a lot easier to stop them ever taking it in the first place and becoming addicted through youth education and opportunity. Save the next generation from the same fate if we can.
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To prevent people from starting on hard drugs you need to stop deprivation and give people some self worth. Most addicts have had absolute awful lives with little or no opportunity. It's what happens when you have such inequality in this country. Tory policy has left us more and more like the United States with huge numbers of people written off from being positive members of society. There are no go areas in most towns and cities not just Middlesbrough with drug addition violent crime and homelessness and there always will be unless there are radically changes to social policy.
 
Glover_elbow said:
To prevent people from starting on hard drugs you need to stop deprivation and give people some self worth. Most addicts have had absolute awful lives with little or no opportunity. It's what happens when you have such inequality in this country. Tory policy has left us more and more like the United States with huge numbers of people written off from being positive members of society. There are no go areas in most towns and cities not just Middlesbrough with drug addition violent crime and homelessness and there always will be unless there are radically changes to social policy.
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This exactly. I travel quite a bit around the UK for work and see it everywhere. Unless you have a government with vision and the will to invest in the right areas of society this will only keep deteriorating.
 
Glover_elbow said:
To prevent people from starting on hard drugs you need to stop deprivation and give people some self worth. Most addicts have had absolute awful lives with little or no opportunity. It's what happens when you have such inequality in this country. Tory policy has left us more and more like the United States with huge numbers of people written off from being positive members of society. There are no go areas in most towns and cities not just Middlesbrough with drug addition violent crime and homelessness and there always will be unless there are radically changes to social policy.
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It’s not just down to poverty and deprivation though. Yes it’s a contributing factor for many and often it’s the main reason and I’d wager for a minority it’s just an easy excuse rather than take responsibility themselves. Quite a few people I went to school with ended up on hard drugs and made a right mess of their lives. These lads were from a good area, went to a good school, their parents had good jobs and they never went without.

It just seems a portion of society is pre programmed to self destruct.
 
Osboro said:
By the time you get down to user it’s an illness not a crime.
Crime is a result of the illness.
We need a complete replan of how we deal with users.
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There is no illness that makes you choose to take hard drugs. Enforcement against users is needed as deterrence, along with cultural and societal change.
 
Osboro said:
Enforcement against users is where we started, years ago.
Hows that doing then?..
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When there were far fewer drugs than there are now. It has been slowly declining since the 1980s and has fallen off a cliff in the last 20 years.
 
I've been in and around Olivellos quite a bit recently and that area seems perfectly fine to me. Is that classed as Central Middlesbrough though? I'm not a Boro lad so can't really comment on that.

As for Parliament Road. It's always had a pretty dodgy reputation hasn't it? I remember my wife working at a Dental Practice there in 2001 and they all had personal alarms to use should they be approached by people when walking to and from the practice!

It was the same in St Hilda's when I first started working in 1998. The company I worked for actually warned people in the induction about the area and gave people a personal alarm that emitted a ridiculous high pitched tone! I remember working late one evening in about 99 and my boss at the time bought us all pizza. Loads of places wouldn't deliver beyond 7pm "over the border".
 
Nero said:
I've been in and around Olivellos quite a bit recently and that area seems perfectly fine to me. Is that classed as Central Middlesbrough though? I'm not a Boro lad so can't really comment on that.
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I would say no, and that 'central Middlesbrough' ends just before Linthorpe Village.
 
Before one of the home games last season we walked up to the site of AP from the town centre for a nostalgia trip(for me), and education for my sin
From reading this board I was expecting to enter Beirut. It was all pretty quiet to be honest, though we didn't venture down parliament road itself.
Ok Linthorpe road was a bit scruffy with lots of takeaways and rubbish kicking about.
My other son lives in Sheffield and you can find similar streets but on a much larger scale ( and probability in every major city e.g Westgate road in Newcastle).
That said I imagine it is very different in the evenings.
 
Priv said:
It’s not just down to poverty and deprivation though. Yes it’s a contributing factor for many and often it’s the main reason and I’d wager for a minority it’s just an easy excuse rather than take responsibility themselves. Quite a few people I went to school with ended up on hard drugs and made a right mess of their lives. These lads were from a good area, went to a good school, their parents had good jobs and they never went without.

It just seems a portion of society is pre programmed to self destruct.
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That may be true for some people but in the area we are talking about it is absolutely down to obscene levels of deprivation.
 
Davey_C said:
That the clientel that visit Albert Park and Stewart Park are completely different. Completely different areas of the town i guess and on the door step of parly road

Dont get me wrong They have just as much right to use the park as people from linthorpe, grove hill or the longlands

My observation/comment was English speaking people within the fair were in the minority on a busy Saturday afternoon
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I live in Grove Hill, never had any trouble in Albert Park, but when i've had my sons in Stewarts Park we've had two incidents of lads causing trouble, trying to intimidate them when they were on their own.

The clientele are different definitely, but as i said, i frequent both and have never had any trouble in AP, but i have in SP - Obviously im only going during light hours to kick a ball about, soon as the moon comes out we go in!
 
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