Wilder promising big overhaul - some development on Monday

Redwurzel said:
Correct - and apologies, they finished 4th bottom.

I think he will want to move to a club with more prospects.
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Do ya think ? 😉
Reading will be losing a lot this summer , major rebuild in the cards there . There will probably one of the favourites to drop again
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Some posters really want us to start again completely.

It’s all well and good saying stuff like sell Fry/McNair/Jones if we get a good offer, what happens if after that opposition clubs all of a sudden start demanding 2/3x the original fee for one of our targets, or said targets move somewhere else and we are stuck with players way down our list.

We should be looking to bring players in first if we can and then look at cashing in if they are no longer required.
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That is what will happen. It won’t be free and sell everything and then start to replace.
Connolly, Balogun, Siliki and Sporar will leave.
Coulson, Ikpeazu, Taylor, Akpom will not return.
Amoebi, Hall and Olusanya will disappear.
He will move on either or both keepers.
If you don’t think this then you haven’t been paying attention.

The choice is which of the valuable assets does he sell.
I’d sell Spence, Fry, Tav and McNair to enable recruitment of better players.
It is very little forced upheaval. 3 first teamers only. I’d be surprised if he isn’t thinking on this scale as we are not good enough and he has the wrong players for his system.

Get better players to play Wilders system.
 
Uwefuchs said:
That is basically just ripping everything up and starting again, is it really that bad?

Creating virtually a new starting 11 might take half a season to gel and get up and running, then it becomes a 2 year project and what happens if we don't get that right?

The problem at the club since McClaren left is that every new manager comes up and wants to rip everything up and start from scratch. Then we get another new manager who doesn't want those players.

At some point we need to evolve as a club rather than this huge overhaul every couple of years.

I know we need changes but what happened to a manager improving the players he has. If Dael Fry has limitations for example then coach him and make him better.

Changing 10-15 players would be a mistake in my opinion, this team looked a match for anyone in the division until about a month ago.
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Completely agree if you are going to get your own men in then you do it gradually over seasons wholesale changes have been a disaster for us do we never learn. The cycle of manager sacked new appointment get rid of one player group sign another group the manager wants. things don't go so well pump the manager and dump the players.
To me it's crazy when we have the nucleus of a good side the back line has been good enough for promotion bar the dodgy keepers. Midfield could be tweaked and up front we need to some quality in. I have no problem with replacing backup players but most of the first team are decent enough with the addition of good striker or two and a quality keeper.
 
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Glover_elbow said:
Fry is a far better player in my opinion and has youth on his side. Gibson is not the answer
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I was joking with the great buy comment , as much as I think he’d do a job in the championship for us I think we need a younger player in and ideally one that can do a job the following season at a just higher level .
Gibson wouldn’t be an asset either
 
Glover_elbow said:
Completely agree if you are going to get your own men in then you do it gradually over seasons wholesale changes have been a disaster for us do we never learn. The cycle of manager sacked new appointment get rid of one player group sign another group the manager wants. things do go so well pump the manager and dump the players.
To me it's crazy when we have the nucleus of a good side the back line has been good enough for promotion bar the dodgy keepers. Midfield could be tweaked and up front we need to some quality in. I have no problem with replacing backup players but most of the first team are decent enough with the addition of good striker or two and a quality keeper.
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Spot on
 
Diego said:
I have watched Gibson a lot this season and i know it’s a division above but some of his defending has been a joke. When he was at Boro he looked ‘solid’ if not spectacular but he doesn’t seem to have that any more and I’m not sure what else he would bring to the table apart from having a left foot and being passionate about the club. Not sure it’s quite enough to sign him in my opinion. Agree with the second part of the post, definetly need some youthful signings and players who can press and run
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Confidence is bound to be shot to pieces when you are getting pumped every week though, not just his form but the rest of the players around him. A return to the Boro could be a the reset that he needs. Once upon a time their were many around the area and around the country as a whole who said he deserved an England call up.
 
Red_is_best said:
What makes you think that anything said here means that work isn’t needed to recruit replacements? Nobody thinks that and the two will go hand in hand surely? Indeed, CW has said that the process of bringing in new players is already underway
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Not sure what you're getting at, where did I say work isn't needed to recruit replacements?
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Not sure what you're getting at, where did I say work isn't needed to recruit replacements?
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You didn’t and that’s not what I said. I am saying that your post suggests that those of us that advocate selling certain players are doing so with no regard to getting replacements, which is not the case at all. I do accept that buying has not been included in the selling scenario described so you were entitled to take that view. I’m just pointing out that you don’t have to buy before selling- both can be done in parallel.
 
If anyone watched the qpr vs sheff utd game you will see what he means about attitude. There was no way sheff utd were not winning it. Even 1 nil down you could see the attitude of their players fighting for every inch.

Thats what we need l, some real tough sob's
 
indeedido said:
That is what will happen. It won’t be free and sell everything and then start to replace.
Connolly, Balogun, Siliki and Sporar will leave.
Coulson, Ikpeazu, Taylor, Akpom will not return.
Amoebi, Hall and Olusanya will disappear.
He will move on either or both keepers.
If you don’t think this then you haven’t been paying attention.

The choice is which of the valuable assets does he sell.
I’d sell Spence, Fry, Tav and McNair to enable recruitment of better players.
It is very little forced upheaval. 3 first teamers only. I’d be surprised if he isn’t thinking on this scale as we are not good enough and he has the wrong players for his system.

Get better players to play Wilders system.
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Pretty much my thoughts too. I also wouldn't be surprised if we let Jones go if a big enough bid came in. May I add that we add sell on clauses to the sales of Spence, Jones and Taviner too.
 
He seems to have name checked Tav, Mcgree, Jones, Mcnair and Fry as players he needs to get more out of Next season In Yorkshire post.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

Summer of change at the Riverside as Chris Wilder looks to repay Boro fans' faith

JUST under seven years ago, then Middlesbrough captain Grant Leadbitter stood on his own at Wembley, clearly hurting, and deliberately made himself watch opponents Norwich City lift the Championship play-off winners’ trophy.
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Subbuteo_171 said:
We finished 7th so we aren't far off on the face off it however there are 5 must haves to work within the chosen system plus the squad needs beefing up as well.

GK
Left sided central defender
Left wing back
2 centre forwards

We need mobility and control in the centre as well, Wilder had success with a fulcrum and 2 up and downers at Sheff Utd - Norwood would be a great signing to play the fulcrum role, or Tom Cairney. Do that's another improvement but not as important.

Centre forward is the key area, and his track record isn't fair to be honest. Mousset, Mcburnie, Brewster, Connolly and Balogun.

We absolutely need leaders, who's doling out bollocking? No evidence of that.

I personally don't think Crooks or McGree are up to it, McNair would excel in the Fleck role imo.

And then you need players for the squad as well, injuries, suspensions and volume of games.

So a huge amount to do in the summer - first choice next year:

New keeper

Jones
Dijksteel
Fry
New CB
New LWB

New DCM
McNair
Tavernier (although expecting to leave)

New CF
New CF

Bench/Squad

Hemmings/Daniels
Payero
Crooks
Howson
Watmore
New CF
New CB cover
New RWB cover
New LWB cover

6 new starters and 4 for the squad, and that's before we think about sales of potentially in demand or unwanted players. Then the question of what to do with the likes of Brynn, Wood and Coburn.

In the moving on bracket:

Lumley
Hall
Bola
McGree
Akpom
Ikpeazu
Fisher
Ameobi
Sporar
Spence
JLS
Connolly
Balogun
Taylor
Peltier
Bamba

Huge amount of work to do. Turnover will be substantial.
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There is no way McGree can be said to not be up to it. He has had some great games aoready. Will only get better. I think McNair might go - if someone doesn't mind him missing the first 3 games of the new season.
 
McGree won’t be going, he’s only just signed him and he’s not had enough time to judge him properly. Only an unlikely daft offer would see him go, but you can say that about any championship player.

I think keeper and strikers are absolutely vital this summer, then bolster other positions and replace leavers. A lot to do but we don’t have to revolutionise the squad.

Plenty of squad/fringe/loan/injured players that could move on, but I can see some staying too as squad players. We have saleable assets so good offers could see them leave, but only if adequate replacements are available. I think we’re all pretty sure Spence will be off for a tidy sum.

Hopefully an exciting summer with some good business done.
 
Looking at the squad on the website, we're know we're going to need an entire new front line, we have to move on the Warnock 'project' players like Olusanya, ask serious questions of a scouting system that brought in James Lea Siliki and a few others with no real idea on where to play them.

Too many of the loan signings flattered to deceive. Showed some bright sparks, but not enough often enough.

Is Paddy McNair playing in his strongest position or has he spent another season filling in due to lack of capable players in that position? He's been here for 4-5 years of us struggling to compete at the very top of this league so he might be one to move on for a fresh challenge.

I don't think any player has finished the season well enough to not have a price over their head and be considered indispensable for next season.

Biggest win this year has been the growth in belief among the fans again that we are going in the right direction.

When's the fixture list for next season out?
 
Hypothetically, say we were to sell all the saleable assets in order to finance the rebuild, how much would we get in total for Fry, McNair, Tav, Jones and Spence?

£60m? More? Less?
 
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