allied_assault
Well-known member
100% behind Carrick and he will get it right given time.
Who's Still Behind Carrick
- Thread starter BMW E34
- Start date
Smoggyonthesolent
Well-known member
I stand by him until the club says so...... I always do!
He will get it right, he is learning and developing as a manager in an incredibly tough league
Winston Smith
Active member
It's not disrespecting Carrick at all.
You are completely missing my point. Carrick inherited a better squad in Oct 2022 than we have in Oct 2023. He took Wilders massively underperforming mish mash and quickly moulded a team which performed. That's on Carrick, great work hence no disrespect to what he's done in the past 11 months.
Chuba and Hackney were revelations, Giles moved to LB worked out pretty well. Again, that's Carrick.
Ferguson inherited an underperforming squad of players and took him 4? years to start to turn things around. Not bang average players, the team was doing absolutely f*ck all. Ferguson turned it around but took time (Ferguson signed Irwin btw).
Carrick needs to be given time. If we finish 17th this season, disappointing, but let's just stick with him. Let's look long term. Assess thing after 3 seasons.
I'm not dissing Carrick, implying he's a lucky manager. He landed in a fortunate position with certain players and made the best of things and more. Which to me points to what a good manager he is, and will hopefully improve.
so thats the point I’m making he made the decision with those players, so how is it fortunate?
You say Ferguson took 4 years but then one signing changed his fortunes. He still gets the credit but Carrick is fortunate due to Ramsey and Archer?
I’m not missing the point, I disagree with it,
Hap
Well-known member
That's exactly my opinion too.
h_m_boro
Well-known member
If you are missing the point, you're missing it. I can't be bothered to explain over and over.
You do realise Man U won the FA Cup in 1990 and the Cup Winners Cup in 1991 prior to Cantona joining in 1992?
Winston Smith
Active member
If you are missing the point, you're missing it. I can't be bothered to explain over and over.
You do realise Man U won the FA Cup in 1990 and the Cup Winners Cup in 1991 prior to Cantona joining in 1992?
However didn’t reach its potential until Cantona; which by your definition indicates pure luck.
You’re saying that because you don’t really have a point. It’s a stealth neg-bomb. Would have more respect if you just owned it and said you don’t have any faith.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
In fairness people often forget that Ferguson came second in his second season. Although he didn't win anything it was considered a good season. The '5 year' thing is a little bit of a fallacy.
There was a 2 year spell between 1988 and winning the FA Cup in 1990 where his tenure was very precarious. Further silverware and improvements in '91 and '92 before he really teed off with Cantona/Keane etc.
There was a 2 year spell between 1988 and winning the FA Cup in 1990 where his tenure was very precarious. Further silverware and improvements in '91 and '92 before he really teed off with Cantona/Keane etc.
Last edited:
changingman
Well-known member
As I said over the summer it depends what the objective for this season is. If we're judging against last season we may end up dissapointed, as most would agree the quality of playing squad appears to have reduced.
If we're judging (and I think the club might look at this way) as this effectively being "Year 1" then we can only really look at performance at the end of next season.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
If you really believe we are >50% likely to go down you could do worse than back us at 12/1.
I am not worried about relegation at all, personally. We're in a bit of a rut since April, but it won't last much longer. That said, I'm not saying we'll rocket up the league again, but at worst we'll be ok in mid-table. The goalkeeper, defence and midfield is ok, the front 4 just haven't hit the ground running.
Glover_elbow
Well-known member
Its sheer optimism from you to think an upturn is imenent the quality isnt there. We have scored 3 goals all season
atypical_boro
Well-known member
Well I'm really just saying I don't think we'll go down, or at least that there's a <50% chance of going down.
I don't think mid-table is out of reach either. The squad may have changed but it isn't just full of complete no hopers. Form does change. Coaches change, managers change, January transfer window, there's all sorts we will chuck at it before we go down.
12/1 must be very tempting if you think its the most likely outcome.
uncle_rico
Well-known member
Carrick said the objective is promotion. It cannot be anything else.
festa5
Well-known member
It always is and really always should be for a club of our size in the championship. Same for at least half the other teams.
Doesn't mean that's the expectation or that it's realistic. But I don't think we've ever gone into a season under Gibson with any other objective at this level.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
The only time I can remember where no one expected us to even be in the mix was Woody's season, hence why he survived the customary October purge despite being in the relegation zone.
I have no idea what my expectation for this season is now but I'd say we could still finish anywhere between 5th and 18th.
uncle_rico
Well-known member
So as per Changingman's post we are all going to be disappointed then. We simply do not have the quality to mount a promotion challenge this season. On the face of it our objective is promotion, and that's what the club sold 21,000 season tickets on the back of, but in reality the club knew it was highly unlikely with the route Gibson and co have chose to go down.
Carrick keeps saying how he's happy with his squad, but I'd be surprised if that was the reality, and ultimately he'll be the fall guy.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
I reckon people said this last September too, though.
uncle_rico
Well-known member
I think most of us were very optimistic that Wilder would mount a promotion challenge, he certainly had the squad to. Carrick doesn't and many have rightly questioned the quality of our signings.