Who's Still Behind Carrick

uncle_rico said:
I think most of us were very optimistic that Wilder would mount a promotion challenge, he certainly had the squad to. Carrick doesn't and many have rightly questioned the quality of our signings.
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Read through this post from early September 2022. Was anyone expecting us to finish 4th? Its the Championship, its meant to be unpredictable, enjoy the ride etc.

Lots of folk talked about 'lack of quality' back then. At that time people thought Akpom's little vein of form in August wouldn't last 9 months. We were apparently lacking quality all over the place and most of our squad/signings were rubbish. People hadn't fully turned on Wilder, who some said had been 'let down' etc.

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100% behind Carrick, I’d want him to stay on even if we were relegated. He isn’t responsible behind the approach taken on recruitment, the actual talent spotting, signing process and retention of players, that is where the issue is and if things don’t turn around, I will be looking at the infallible Mr Scott and above.

I will be comfortable with a win at Sheffield as the bare minimum from the next 3 but realistically we should be getting a draw against Southampton too. Saturdays game, well I have no expectation from it, anything is a bonus in that game for me 🤞
 
atypical_boro said:
The only time I can remember where no one expected us to even be in the mix was Woody's season, hence why he survived the customary October purge despite being in the relegation zone.

I have no idea what my expectation for this season is now but I'd say we could still finish anywhere between 5th and 18th.
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No-one other than Woody himself perhaps! I'm sure he stated the aim was promotion at one point at the start of that season.
 
I am 100% still behind him and want things to work out for him here. However, I do worry .. it's just I am not convinced we have brought the quality we need and could well be fighting to stay up this season. We just ship goals for fun and don't see that changing, much.

Think the Blackburn game will be a high-scoring game. Backing Lath to finally find the back of the net, amount of chances he's had ffs, one has to go in haha. Going 3-2 either way, hopefully, it's us.

I do fear things could get ugly at the Riverside by the end of this 3-game week .., say our form does not improve ... I dunno if Gibbo could make a knee-jerk reaction who knows

Not a lot of time between games to prepare and we're currently rock bottom. Hardly great timing for us right now.
 
You could put Pep in charge. If you start the season with a squad of players who are nowhere near the quality we had last season then it's going to have a negative impact on results. I'm not saying one point from five games is good enough but Carrick should be given plenty of time to turn it around. 100% behind him.
 
18MFC76 said:
You could put Pep in charge. If you start the season with a squad of players who are nowhere near the quality we had last season then it's going to have a negative impact on results.
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Read the thread above, the feeling this time last year was that the squad wasn't good enough. The Championship is just like this.
 
BMW E34 said:
When we lose again this week how many more losses are you willing to take,
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A week ago you posted

“I see us losing 10 straight games before we turn the corner.”

And you didn’t say after we have sacked Carrick after 5 games. So where’s the conviction of your opinion FFS?
 
the trouble is the system he plays we will keep on losing messing around with the ball @ the back when we dont have good defenders.
 
BMW E34 said:
When we lose again this week how many more losses are you willing to take,
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There's always one d!ck who wants to prove themselves some sort of footballing visionary. They inevitably make a fool of themselves and then it's time to create a new account.

Pretty sad.
 
It's funny that Carrick never moans publicly about recruitment. Yet, most of us believe he has very little say in who we buy/loan, etc, as that is Scott's remit. I'd be surprised if his involvement is as negligible as we think. We need to pick up some results quickly, even if just draws. I don't think he could survive if we continued to lose and draw the odd game. People will turn on the team, and if he can't get results out of them, then somebody else should be given a go.
 
MVBoro said:
It's funny that Carrick never moans publicly about recruitment. Yet, most of us believe he has very little say in who we buy/loan, etc, as that is Scott's remit. I'd be surprised if his involvement is as negligible as we think. We need to pick up some results quickly, even if just draws. I don't think he could survive if we continued to lose and draw the odd game. People will turn on the team, and if he can't get results out of them, then somebody else should be given a go.
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This is the crux of it. Ultimately, any manager will keep their job until the club hierarchy believe someone else could get more out of the players they've got. Regardless of how well a transfer window went 6 months prior.

Carrick not moaning about recruitment may just be because he wants to keep his job and wants a good relationship with Scott, Bausor, Gibson etc. Its called being professional, but I don't think we should take it as a sign that he was heavily involved in all the recruitment either (although I'm not saying he definitely wasn't as I don't know).

In a way, the model a lot of clubs want to work to is that it is basically none of the head coach's business which players are brought in. They are simply given a squad of players to coach and choose a starting XI from and set the tactics for, that's their only job. All this talk of 'tools they've been given' is a bit of a hangover from the days when 'managers' got to choose the playing staff as well as choose the tactics. Clubs don't all operate like that now.

Maybe Carrick just 'gets it', in which case he'll probably be given a lot more time to turn it around and make the 'tools he's been given' (who've obviously not hit the ground running upfront) perform better, just as he did last year (albeit more quickly). Wilder throwing players under the bus and moaning about his staff is what got him the sack (and not denying the Burnley link), not just the poor results. Same probably goes for Warnock.
 
Frozen Horse said:
Definitely still behind him.

I feel we have to stick by him, not so much out of loyalty to him, but for the sake of snapping out of this cycle of starting poorly, sacking the manager in autumn, doing well for the rest of the season, then doing it all again.

I'm more inclined to accept relegation then build again, rather than keep going round that hamster wheel
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It also alarms me that a regular part of this cycle is getting the team of the previous manager to do what we suspected they could all along, then with their input in a transfer window it goes boobs skywards.
 
The shipping goals for fun is a big concern for me, some of the goals were pretty bad this season, half were preventable by determined defending from all the team not just the defenders. The team management and coaching staff and of course more importantly could/can do something about this. It didn't need Premier quality defending. Ultimately Carrick will have to take a lot of responsibility for this. A manager like Robins @ Coventry or Jones @ Luton would have acted by now.
 
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