I am being consistent. Are you deliberately pretending not to understand now? Now is the time to unite behind the people able to put pressure on the tories. You'd rather attack them and give the tories a free pass. I am being consistent and I';ve never wavered from this belief.So if someone on a football message board criticises Starmer, that infighting and enables the tories.
But if Starmer is in national newspapers saying he's going to kick Labour MPs out of the party, that's not infighting?
Come on ST at least pretend to be consistent.
I am being consistent. Are you deliberately pretending not to understand now? Now is the time to unite behind the people able to put pressure on the tories. You'd rather attack them and give the tories a free pass. I am being consistent and I';ve never wavered from this belief.
Like I said before, it's totally fine for you to criticise a party leader, but you need to do so knowing it'll only benefit the tories.
OK, we won't see eye to eye on this oner but you are enabling the Tories with this line, If that's what you want, then so be it but deep down you know that's what is happeningDeary me. So why isn't now the time for Starmer to unite behind the people able to put pressure on the tories? Why is now a good time to be in newspapers saying you'll kick Labour MPs out of the party?
Never mind constantly harking back to me. Ultimately anything I say on here means sweet FA doesn't it?
It must be a simple point for you to explain if you think I'm pretending not to understand. So do it.
Why is it good for Starmer to say he'll kick Labour MPs out of the party? Why isn't that infighting? To me, someone without your obvious expertise, it looks a lot like infighting. Why isn't it?
OK, we won't see eye to eye on this oner but you are enabling the Tories with this line, If that's what you want, then so be it but deep down you know that's what is happening
‘the infighting continues’ - what are we in exactly?The infighting continues and yet they can't see it's all for the gain of the Tories. I find it baffling that these people would rather see Boris Johnson prevail rather than Kier Starmer and are actively, with their actions, campaigning for it.
Where have I heard this one before?Like I said before, it's totally fine for you to criticise a party leader, but you need to do so knowing it'll only benefit the tories.
Probably many places. Because it's true. Look at the Tories. THey are naturally hate filled so must presumably despise each other. But they show a united front against other parties. and they always get in to power. Learn form historyWhere have I heard this one before?
Criticising a party leader knowing it would only benefit the tories..
Can’t quite put my finger on it..
I'm being perfectly consistent and I have described why. You choose not to listen because you would prefer to infight. So keep on allowing the Tories a free pass. I just hoped you could do better for the country.Why not just explain why it's not infighting for the leader of a party to be kicking MPs out of the same party?
To me that sentence reads like a dictionary definition of infighting, but you know better, so please just share your wisdom?
You won't and can't because the reality is you actually are being inconsistent isn't it? It's infighting when you don't like what people are saying and it's not infighting if you do like them. Nothing more to it than that.
So we learn from history when the Labour Party moves to the right.. but not when it involves nationalism.Probably many places. Because it's true. Look at the Tories. THey are naturally hate filled so must presumably despise each other. But they show a united front against other parties. and they always get in to power. Learn form history
Or it moves to be more electable.So we learn from history when the Labour Party moves to the right.. but not when it involves nationalism.
More electable to who though?Or it moves to be more electable.
Look, you either want a labour party that will be electable or you don't because it doesn't suit your particular brand of socialism, or whatever political ideal you subscribe to. IN these times when we appear to be lurching towards a pretty extreme right almost fascistic country, I think some realpolitik thinking needs to be displayed.
To the electorate?More electable to who though?
I'm being perfectly consistent and I have described why.
Well it worked on the feeble minded, didn't it?I'm correct aren't I? the opnly people to truly benefit from Labour supporters infighting is the Tory party. It's been proven time and again.
You can appose the government for starters!To the electorate?
Maybe! I'm not sure what else you are expecting but there are only limited things a party can do in opposition. Maybe it's just me but I would have though getting elected would be the first step in taking back control of the country
I haven't. And you know that. I think you do understand you're just pretending not to becasue it doesn't sit well that you're enabling the ToriesYou haven't described why at all. Every reply you post is just you ludicrously claiming that I'll be to blame for any future tory electoral wins.
OK I get it. Its better if the Tories are in charge then. Which is what you are saying if you want Labour to be unelectableYou can appose the government for starters!
Why do we have those MPs who ranked the last two elections now at the forefront of the party? Makes no sense to throw everything in the bin, learn no lessons and start from where the Independent Group for Change left off!!
This is not a party that is interested in electability. It’s only goal is to purge the left.
Taking back control of the country? Not really
All you're showing is that the party is badly split and currently under whichever leadership unable to govern, because it's basically a bad game of British Bulldog where you just swap sides every couple of years.You can appose the government for starters!
Why do we have those MPs who ranked the last two elections now at the forefront of the party? Makes no sense to throw everything in the bin, learn no lessons and start from where the Independent Group for Change left off!!
This is not a party that is interested in electability. It’s only goal is to purge the left.
Taking back control of the country? Not really
Weird reply.
Come on Lefty surely you agree it would be better if Starmer had portrayed himself accurately in the leadership election? Why not?