Nobby_Barnes
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I'm going Green at the next election as are most of my friends 
Tories close gap on Labour to 1 point
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BoroFur
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You have friends?I'm going Green at the next election as are most of my friends
Lefty
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Anyone paying attention to my posts over the last six years will tell you that I'd looked into and appreciated a lot of the difficulties and issues around Brexit far, far more than most.
We have been over Corbyn's Brexit performance and position several times.
He didn't understand the EU, didn't understand Brexit and wasn't interested in it, not in 2016 and not in 2019, despite it being the major political and economic decision for four decades and had been practically the only issue for 4 years in Parliament. Even in mid 2019 he still hadn't made up his mind whether it was a good idea to be in the Single Market or not. FFS! That is dithering. Labour position was wishy washy because of that and his allowing of Milne and McClusky to push him around on it for their Leave preference rather than the overwhelming preference of the members. Democrats those on the far left, eh?
You can talk about him being a decent man - I'll even agree with you - the fact remains is he wasn't suitable for the job. You can wish all you want, he just wasn't. The public gave him, an unknown, maligned underdog a chance in 2017 and Remain voters lent their vote as the only way of opposing Theresa May's stupid red lines on Brexit. He and Brexit are responsible for Johnson and everything resulting from that, other than the pandemic.
The assessment of Labour MP's was right, the actions of some were not.
Time to move on to the future. Little steps, eh? You might think Starmer is a Tory, but he's surely a better option than this current actual Conservative Party and you might get electoral reform out of it.
Lefty
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I'm going Green at the next election as are most of my friends
Will you vote tactically if they ask you to?
newyddion
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As an MP he was against membership of the EU his whole career. Understanding the EU? Understanding Brexit? That’s not what people voted for.
It wasn’t down to him. He wasn’t supported by the PLP (remain) his support came from the members and momentum (remain)
Not wishing for anything. Most of todays politicians aren’t suitable I think he was the best of a bad bunch. The public would have had it not been for the non stop smear campaign from the press.
No, this didn’t happen. Labour wasn’t pro remain in 2017
The Forde Report would suggest otherwise.
Not being this Conservative government.. haven’t seen it yet tbh
Nobby_Barnes
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Nobby_Barnes
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How does that work
Muttley
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It may come as a shock to you but these people have to work together even the most rabid right winger will be polite and indeed chatty with members from across the chamber and vice versa. It's not all the combative screaming across the chamber that makes the telly.Not being this Conservative government.. haven’t seen it yet tbh
My biggest hope for this is that Labour see the advantage in an electoral pact to get the Tories out and remove their domination for ever by a move to Proportional Representation.
norfolkngood
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I'm going Green at the next election as are most of my friends
So you won't complain when the Tories get another 5 years then?
its pretty simple how they get away with it. Lunatic left wingers who want to stick to their socialist principles and refuse to vote for a party that can defeat the Tories vote Green or abstain. Therefore the Tory wins again and we are stuck with another 5 years of Tory government. But you don't need to worry. You and all the rest of the idiots stuck with your principles. The country is fcuked but you can look at yourself in the mirror each day.
Think you've misread Newys post. Pretty sure the "they" he was on about were Labour's internal saboteurs.
Dunno why folk on here get so riled about left wing people being less likely to vote Labour as the party moves to the right. Perfectly natural consequence isn't it?
Lefty
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What, the Forde Report into the antisemitism leaks?
Tell me, what does it say on this about the 2019 GE?
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Lefty
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Because you're more concerned with power IN Labour than power FOR Labour?
and
'Perfect is the enemy of good' ?
newyddion
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The Lib Dems didn't stick with it.. they just propped up the Tories. The way Labour are going I don't think they will either. Should have been top of the shop for Starmers campaign imo.
'Lunatic left wingers' - I voted Labour so it wasn't me that put the tories in.
'Who want to stick to their socialist principles' - Labour Party principles like wanting a publicly owned NHS
'Refuse to vote for a party that can defeat the Tories' - Starmer is not looking good.
'You and all the rest of the idiots stuck with your principles' - and now i'm an idiot.
Well, I guess that covers it all. VOTE FOR ME YOU IDIOT!
I guess that's how they get away with it. Folks like norfolkingood calling working class labour voters idiots and expecting them to jump on board.
See also: Trots. Rabble. Dogs. Cranks. Nazi Stormtroopers. Thugs. Antisemites. Bullies. Cultists. Terrorist sympathisers etc etc
TeessideCleveland
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I'm going Green at the next election as are most of my friends
TeessideCleveland
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So they tell youI'm going Green at the next election as are most of my friends
newyddion
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antisemitism! antisemitism! antisemitism!
is this the same brand of "antisemitism" that Bernie Sanders pumps out? The same "antisemitism" that Noam Chomsky practises in his support for Jeremy Corbyn?
the same ""antisemitism" that leads Keir Starmer to expel left leaning Jewish members from the party? - I'm not falling for it.
The Leadership - every paper, every news channel pumping out misinformation. right wing Labour MPs jumping on the bandwagon resigning.
Their stance on Brexit - Jeremy Corbyn's stance was solid, until the PLP kicked and screamed into a position of a 2nd referendum and fence sitting.
Their economic policies - fully costed and sound. FREE INTERNET, MAGIC MONEY TREE, FREE EVERYTHING - and now the public are being scammed out of billions!
If power within Labour is so trivial and not an issue why wasn't Starmer just honest with us in the leadership contest? Why pretend to be something it's since become clear he isn't? Why spend all of party conference trying to ensure power within the party can never move left again?
I'd vote for a good Labour party!
But I don't rate this pro spy cops in trade unions, ditching the nationalisation policies, against corporation tax increases, pro NHS privatisation version of the party. And I don't just pretend the party's adopted policies I like as you've done with PR.
Lefty
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antisemitism! antisemitism! antisemitism!
is this the same brand of "antisemitism" that Bernie Sanders pumps out? The same "antisemitism" that Noam Chomsky practises in his support for Jeremy Corbyn?
the same ""antisemitism" that leads Keir Starmer to expel left leaning Jewish members from the party? - I'm not falling for it.
The Leadership - every paper, every news channel pumping out misinformation. right wing Labour MPs jumping on the bandwagon resigning.
Their stance on Brexit - Jeremy Corbyn's stance was solid, until the PLP kicked and screamed into a position of a 2nd referendum and fence sitting.
Their economic policies - fully costed and sound. FREE INTERNET, MAGIC MONEY TREE, FREE EVERYTHING - and now the public are being scammed out of billions!
It was about the abject failure to deal with it. It was about the signal it sent out.
You can complain all you want that there were disgusting smears and I wouldn't disagree, but that's politics. Don't send a nice man to a street fight. He might indeed win the argument but everyone on his side got stabbed.
Starmer has sent a different, necessary signal out.
You will probably complain about this source, but it's taken away one of the Conservatives knives.
70 percent of JLM members polled say Labour now ‘a safe space’ for Jews
EXCLUSIVE: New poll indicates strong satisfaction with Keir Starmer's efforts to tackle Jew-hate with 9 in 10 members saying there's been positive changes to rules and culture
www.jewishnews.co.uk
Lefty
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Hey Stu
Just for you, I'm posting a thread about the shenanigans of the Labour Right under Corbyn 2015-17.
Plenty to condemn and I'd hope those to the Right of you and Scrote and Newy would inform themselves of this if it passed them by. Feel free to start a thread on it. I'll happily contribute.
Just for you, I'm posting a thread about the shenanigans of the Labour Right under Corbyn 2015-17.
Plenty to condemn and I'd hope those to the Right of you and Scrote and Newy would inform themselves of this if it passed them by. Feel free to start a thread on it. I'll happily contribute.
Weird reply.
Come on Lefty surely you agree it would be better if Starmer had portrayed himself accurately in the leadership election? Why not?