Tories close gap on Labour to 1 point
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SmallTown
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I am being consistent. Are you deliberately pretending not to understand now? Now is the time to unite behind the people able to put pressure on the tories. You'd rather attack them and give the tories a free pass. I am being consistent and I';ve never wavered from this belief.
Like I said before, it's totally fine for you to criticise a party leader, but you need to do so knowing it'll only benefit the tories.
Deary me. So why isn't now the time for Starmer to unite behind the people able to put pressure on the tories? Why is now a good time to be in newspapers saying you'll kick Labour MPs out of the party?Never mind constantly harking back to me. Ultimately anything I say on here means sweet FA doesn't it?
It must be a simple point for you to explain if you think I'm pretending not to understand. So do it.
Why is it good for Starmer to say he'll kick Labour MPs out of the party? Why isn't that infighting? To me, someone without your obvious expertise, it looks a lot like infighting. Why isn't it?
SmallTown
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OK, we won't see eye to eye on this oner but you are enabling the Tories with this line, If that's what you want, then so be it but deep down you know that's what is happening
Never mind constantly harking back to me. Ultimately anything I say on here means sweet FA doesn't it?
It must be a simple point for you to explain if you think I'm pretending not to understand. So do it.
Why is it good for Starmer to say he'll kick Labour MPs out of the party? Why isn't that infighting? To me, someone without your obvious expertise, it looks a lot like infighting. Why isn't it?
Why not just explain why it's not infighting for the leader of a party to be kicking MPs out of the same party?
To me that sentence reads like a dictionary definition of infighting, but you know better, so please just share your wisdom?
You won't and can't because the reality is you actually are being inconsistent isn't it? It's infighting when you don't like what people are saying and it's not infighting if you do like them. Nothing more to it than that.
newyddion
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‘the infighting continues’ - what are we in exactly?
who are these people that want to see Boris Johnson prevail? I hope you are referring to right wing Labour MPs who have said and done exactly that.
anybody but Boris Johnson doesn’t cut it I’m afraid, it’s arrogant, ignorant an counterproductive to removing this conservative government. the Labour Party is a complete basket case.
I could see a Lib Dem/Green coalition winning over Labour at the moment and that’s saying something! Lib Dems showed their true colours by jumping into bed with the tories (they stole the vote from the left and gave to the right) - remember that.. when everyone twigged how far Labour had moved to the right? Labour didn’t listen.
The most concerning thing to me was how apposed to the 2017 manifesto most Labour MPs were! If there was a coalition including Labour.. what would that look like?
Lib Dem - very much in favour of privatising the NHS
Labour -re nationalisation is off the cards now
Green - a lot of hot air, don’t come up with the goods when it really matters.
Result: back in the EU with a privatised NHS
or Ultra Conservative Near Fascism
We have indeed drifted into the realms of American ‘third way’ politics. Right or further Right.. we are not America tho.
I think we’ll see ‘the Wagner effect’ where upon realisation that the whole thing is rigged and nothing really changes.. we vote for the clown, the bumbling embarrassment..
newyddion
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Where have I heard this one before?
Criticising a party leader knowing it would only benefit the tories..
Can’t quite put my finger on it..
SmallTown
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Probably many places. Because it's true. Look at the Tories. THey are naturally hate filled so must presumably despise each other. But they show a united front against other parties. and they always get in to power. Learn form history
SmallTown
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I'm being perfectly consistent and I have described why. You choose not to listen because you would prefer to infight. So keep on allowing the Tories a free pass. I just hoped you could do better for the country.
newyddion
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So we learn from history when the Labour Party moves to the right.. but not when it involves nationalism.
SmallTown
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Or it moves to be more electable.
Look, you either want a labour party that will be electable or you don't because it doesn't suit your particular brand of socialism, or whatever political ideal you subscribe to. IN these times when we appear to be lurching towards a pretty extreme right almost fascistic country, I think some realpolitik thinking needs to be displayed.
newyddion
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More electable to who though?
It wasn’t policies that made Labour unelectable it was the devious backstabbing MPs, it wasn’t Jeremy Corbyn going door to door saying he would campaign against a democratic vote and not stand by anything in the manifesto.
My particular brand of socialism? The one that doesn’t socialise the losses of failing private companies, the one that doesn’t privatise the profits of Public ally owned entities.
The country is only lurching to the extreme right by being controlled by far right politicians! The answer for me at least is not to reward those who put them in power with my votes, kind words or otherwise.
I think some real thinking needs to be done by folks blindly following Keir Starmer under the Labour flag.
SmallTown
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To the electorate?
Maybe! I'm not sure what else you are expecting but there are only limited things a party can do in opposition. Maybe it's just me but I would have though getting elected would be the first step in taking back control of the country
You haven't described why at all. Every reply you post is just you ludicrously claiming that I'll be to blame for any future tory electoral wins.
Do this instead. Do a reply and start a sentence with this:
"It's not infighting and is actually a good thing that Starmer was threatening to kick Labour MPs out of the party last week because..."
And then don't mention me or whatever you think I'm doing in the rest of the response.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Well it worked on the feeble minded, didn't it?
newyddion
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You can appose the government for starters!
Why do we have those MPs who ranked the last two elections now at the forefront of the party? Makes no sense to throw everything in the bin, learn no lessons and start from where the Independent Group for Change left off!!
This is not a party that is interested in electability. It’s only goal is to purge the left.
Taking back control of the country? Not really
SmallTown
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I haven't. And you know that. I think you do understand you're just pretending not to becasue it doesn't sit well that you're enabling the Tories
SmallTown
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OK I get it. Its better if the Tories are in charge then. Which is what you are saying if you want Labour to be unelectable
Unravel_Morrison
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All you're showing is that the party is badly split and currently under whichever leadership unable to govern, because it's basically a bad game of British Bulldog where you just swap sides every couple of years.
Corbyn is many things but he isn't ever going to be Prime Minister. He had one go where he got quite close but that's it; it's gone.
Starmer gets a go now; for me it's GTTO at all costs, so I'll support him. I'm not and never will be a member of any political party, as this whole factional nonsense puts me off.
I look at the Labour members posting on all areas of social media; you can literally cut and replace left/right depending on who is currently in charge.
Lefty
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Weird reply.
Come on Lefty surely you agree it would be better if Starmer had portrayed himself accurately in the leadership election? Why not?
Weird?
Last time you were complaining I didn’t go off on exactly the same type of detour pointing the disgraceful behaviour of the Labour Right towards Corbyn. That confirmed for you that my criticisms of Corbyn and his team must have all been down to a bias I’d always had rather than the plain as the nose on my face facts that everyone else could see by 2019 - the sheer incompetence. Isn’t it time you acknowledged it’s actually your own bias preventing you from seeing some things as they were?
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