Tories close gap on Labour to 1 point

The 'will of the people' thing is the biggest load of nonsense. It is a made up concept.
'The Will of the People' - folks wanted to vote for a left leaning Labour Party, right wing MPs didn't fancy it. they still don't fancy it.

Rolling back corporation tax to 2010 levels was seen as some sort of whichcraft
 
Are the Labour Party bankrupt?

Well that depends if you base your view on reality or on what facebook tells you.

I was at Hyde Park on Friday and walked past Jess Philips dancing to the Pixies.....could you imagine a single one of this government at a Pearl Jam and Pixies gig? Nah me neither, they're soulless ghouls.

I'll vote labour to get them out.
 
I voted for Starmer
I voted for Corbyn
I voted for Milliband
I voted for Brown
I voted for Blair
I supported Smith
I supported Kinnock

I just don't get these 'fake tory', 'tory lite' accusations against Starmer.

You're either with Labour or you're not. Getting upset because 'your man' is not in charge anymore is F***ing pathetic.
I agree with what your saying, but hey default you agreeing boris has a mandate from every voter

Iā€™m being really pedantic
 
True Dat.. I don't think the purple lib dem variation will be able to pull it off I'm afraid.

I totally understand the criticism aimed towards the right wing of the Labour Party. Your either for Labour Party values or you're not.. no point getting upset when folks won't vote for someone who refuses to represent them.
Right wing if the Labour Party?
 
There is no 'right wing' of the Labour Party. You're living in cloud-cuckoo land.

'The Will of the People' - folks wanted to vote for a left leaning Labour Party, right wing MPs didn't fancy it. they still don't fancy it.

Rolling back corporation tax to 2010 levels was seen as some sort of whichcraft
They didn't vote for a left leaning party in 2019

I was a huge Corbyn fan but, through a combination of media slurs, moderate Labour MPs and, unfortunately in the end, his own ineptitude as a Leader, that ship sailed.

Starmer is not my idea of a Labour Leader. But I do believe he is doing what he thinks will rid us of this affront to the nation we currently must endure
 
Some disappointing posts on this thread.

Whilst (so called) Labour voters look inwards and argue amongst themselves about this and that the Tories unite and harvest their natural and broad vote of country dwellers, southerners, business owners and cap doffers.

Divide and conquer, an old Tory tactic which is alive and kicking to this day.

Starmer would do well to spend time on countering this sort of problem particularly on social media sites.
 
Whilst (so called) Labour voters look inwards and argue amongst themselves about this and that the Tories unite and harvest their natural and broad vote of country dwellers, southerners, business owners and cap doffers.

Divide and conquer, an old Tory tactic which is alive and kicking to this day.

Starmer would do well to spend time on countering this sort of problem particularly on social media sites.
I'm not so sure, the Tories aren't uniting, they have about 10 MP's going for leadership, and their voters are jumping ship in droves, it's the fastest and largest turnaround I've ever seen I think. It's not so much uniting, it's that the boat is getting smaller, so all that's left are the hardcore who will never move, and they're being bunched in.

It seems to be mainly some of the Corbyn fans who are miffed, and the Starmer fans (or just general Labour/ Tory opposition fans, like myself) are just a bit disappointed they won't jump on board and add pressure onto the Tories. I think this is getting better though, and will get better over time, it's way better than it was 2 years ago.

It won't make much of a difference though (to the GE outcome), as no Corbyn fan is ever going to vote tory, and every voter Labour hoover up from the Tories acts like two voters, if they switch sides. So if you lose a Corbyn fan you're -1, but if labour gain one from the Tories that's +1 to Labour, and the Tories -1. So overall Labour end up 0, and the Tories -1, which is a net win. In reality it works better though, as for every Tory that switches sides, you're not going to lose one of the Corbyn fans, hence why Labour are polling so well.

The same happens if a Tory doesn't vote, and one from the centre does (and votes Labour).

You've also got the coalition options too with those who jump ship to the greens or Lib dem or whatever, albeit I don't expect many Corbyn fans going to LD. Tories have a poor chance of getting more seats than Labour (although I expect them to improve with a new leader), but they have even less chance of a coalition with Green or LD.

It's hard to represent the entire political spectrum, who are against the Tories, but if Labour had to lose votes from somewhere, then tactically it would be better to lose the ones who won't ever vote Tory. I think Starmer is doing the right thing, by not countering the problem, as I don't see it as much of a problem.

We've got the worst Tory government I've ever seen, so priority 1 should surely be getting them out, and I'd vote for whoever had the best chance of getting them out.
 
The Tories have 2 months now were they will basically cut themselves to shreds, it will only get worse for them.

They are currently making promises that they simply pulled out of their arses and are completely unfunded and not workable, all to appeal to a tiny fraction of voters that are very little in common with the larger electorate.
Yup, also interesting that they're going to "fix" things, all of which have been problems created under their control, when they were all relentlessly backing BJ.

Also interesting that seemingly pretty much every candidate other than Sunak is going for the less corporation tax route, which sounds ludicrous. I'm no big Sunak fan, but he's probably the only one who has a clue about the financial aspect, especially with what his position has been for the last 2.5 years.

Be interesting to see what all their ideas are for tackling inflation, and what we should do about our energy sources/ generation.
 
I'm not so sure, the Tories aren't uniting, they have about 10 MP's going for leadership, and their voters are jumping ship in droves, it's the fastest and largest turnaround I've ever seen I think. It's not so much uniting, it's that the boat is getting smaller, so all that's left are the hardcore who will never move, and they're being bunched in.

It seems to be mainly some of the Corbyn fans who are miffed, and the Starmer fans (or just general Labour/ Tory opposition fans, like myself) are just a bit disappointed they won't jump on board and add pressure onto the Tories. I think this is getting better though, and will get better over time, it's way better than it was 2 years ago.

It won't make much of a difference though (to the GE outcome), as no Corbyn fan is ever going to vote tory, and every voter Labour hoover up from the Tories acts like two voters, if they switch sides. So if you lose a Corbyn fan you're -1, but if labour gain one from the Tories that's +1 to Labour, and the Tories -1. So overall Labour end up 0, and the Tories -1, which is a net win. In reality it works better though, as for every Tory that switches sides, you're not going to lose one of the Corbyn fans, hence why Labour are polling so well.

The same happens if a Tory doesn't vote, and one from the centre does (and votes Labour).

You've also got the coalition options too with those who jump ship to the greens or Lib dem or whatever, albeit I don't expect many Corbyn fans going to LD. Tories have a poor chance of getting more seats than Labour (although I expect them to improve with a new leader), but they have even less chance of a coalition with Green or LD.

It's hard to represent the entire political spectrum, who are against the Tories, but if Labour had to lose votes from somewhere, then tactically it would be better to lose the ones who won't ever vote Tory. I think Starmer is doing the right thing, by not countering the problem, as I don't see it as much of a problem.

We've got the worst Tory government I've ever seen, so priority 1 should surely be getting them out, and I'd vote for whoever had the best chance of getting them out.
I supported Corbyn but he had two goes and couldnā€™t get a win. Labour then turned to Starmer for a different style and approach. He seems to be polling well. You have to change and move on, I think itā€™s a straightforward equation. We support the Labour Party more than individuals within it donā€™t we?
 
I voted for Corbyn because I didn't want Johnson, in fact I have always voted Labour because no matter how right wing they may be perceived to be a Labour government will always do more for ordinary people than a Tory government. I have voted Lib Dem where they are the alternatives to the Tory and would have voted Whig or Liberal pre Labour. If people won't vote for Starmer because he isn't left wing enough I despair, but in many respects the left have always liked to be in opposition.....comrade Corbyn would have **** himself if he he ever got into No 10!
 
I supported Corbyn but he had two goes and couldnā€™t get a win. Labour then turned to Starmer for a different style and approach. He seems to be polling well. You have to change and move on, I think itā€™s a straightforward equation. We support the Labour Party more than individuals within it donā€™t we?
Same here. I liked Labours policies under Corbyn, but you have to get in to enact them, otherwise it's just words, and he was always going to struggle to get in as he was unfortunately an easy target for our horrendous media, effectively bullied. The problem is, to win, you need some of the people that read and believe that crap, and someone who is less of a target. It's sad that it's like that, but it's been that way for a long time, and will be for a lot longer.

The way I see it, once we get Labour's manifesto it's not going to be much different under Starmer than it was under Corbyn, but there will be some key changes, as we have to change to deal with the recovery from Covid/ Brexit/ Tories etc.

But my line of thinking is anyone other than Tories, we just need these out now, almost at any cost, as the UK is really heading in the wrong/ divisive direction, and we need to unite against them, the best we can.
 
Labour then turned to Starmer for a different style and approach.

Not entirely true though that is it. Starmer went in to the 2020 Labour leadership election claiming that he'd be sticking to the 2017 Labour manifesto. He made 10 pledges that were all basically Corbynite policy.

If he'd, more honestly, offered himself to the Labour membership as a "different approach", does anyone really think he'd still have won the contest? I think it's extremely doubtful.
 
Also interesting that seemingly pretty much every candidate other than Sunak is going for the less corporation tax route, which sounds ludicrous.

Starmer and Reeves will support that surely? If they're consistent with their own arguments from a few months ago when Boris's government was increasing corporation tax...
 
Starmer and Reeves will support that surely? If they're consistent with their own arguments from a few months ago when Boris's government was increasing corporation tax...
Their argument is to always oppose the gov as is this role as the opposition.
 
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