Tories close gap on Labour to 1 point

BoroMart said:
my main take from that is how can 31% of the country be that dim to want to continue this bonfire of our country under any Tory leadership, I mean you've got 12 years of destruction to look back on to make your judgement, and you 31% choose to do that!
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I suspect it will be a lot more than 31 after 13 years - when there's a new leader.
Tories have turned it around before by changing their leader
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
By the time the next election comes, our economy will be on it's knees and there will be absolutely no chance the Tories will be able to achieve another 5 year mandate. This Winter is going to be brutal. 2023 will just get worse and a property recession will ensue
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Tories can still do it. Never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.
Even now there are dirt poor working class people who voted for them and might again. It seems incredible to me that such people can think that the Tories will make their lives better but there it is.
 
I've read a few analysts postulating further disintegration of the Tory vote and perhaps the Party itself. The central existential problem remains for them. Europe. Brexit isn't "done", most of the loons still insist it can be a success but the more pragmatic see it as an economic failure. It looks like Cameron's referendum intended to end debate on the place of this country in Europe has not settled the argument as intended but has just delayed the inevitable fracturing. The 11 (is it more now?) appellants for the Leadership crown are unlikely to be able to garner cross party support. This is probably the main reason they stuck with Johnson for so long? Perhaps it will cause defections to whatever UKIP is currently disguised as or to the Lib Dems?
 
Muttley said:
I've read a few analysts postulating further disintegration of the Tory vote and perhaps the Party itself. The central existential problem remains for them. Europe. Brexit isn't "done", most of the loons still insist it can be a success but the more pragmatic see it as an economic failure. It looks like Cameron's referendum intended to end debate on the place of this country in Europe has not settled the argument as intended but has just delayed the inevitable fracturing. The 11 (is it more now?) appellants for the Leadership crown are unlikely to be able to garner cross party support. This is probably the main reason they stuck with Johnson for so long? Perhaps it will cause defections to whatever UKIP is currently disguised as or to the Lib Dems?
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I think it’s hard to tell whether or not Brexit is still an issue with the voters, it probably is with the over 65’s who also probably think it has been a success.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
No doubt by the time the next election arrives the Tories will be back in front
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I would think so, like a Tory time lord, the next incarnation shape shifts into a seemingly impossible new party, more popular, further to the right, more corrupt, worse for the county.. but preferred to the pale male party of diversity and equality.
Cardiffdaffs said:
By the time the next election comes, our economy will be on it's knees and there will be absolutely no chance the Tories will be able to achieve another 5 year mandate. This Winter is going to be brutal. 2023 will just get worse and a property recession will ensue
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That’s what it would take.. and even then it might not be enough. Corbyn was onto a winner but the right wing MPs in the party wouldn’t back him or the membership and ultimately Labour Party values. Their answer? To follow in the footsteps of the disastrous ‘Independent Group for Change’ to see the bland, flaccid and deceitful Lib Dems as a winning formula for success. This winter might see riots. I think the tories are all ready preparing for it tbh with their new crime bill.
GazC_MFC said:
Conservatives will lose a lot of support if Twitter is anything to go about. Lots of if boris goes they lose me
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Twitter isn’t real life as we saw the last two elections.
 
newyddion said:
I would think so, like a Tory time lord, the next incarnation shape shifts into a seemingly impossible new party, more popular, further to the right, more corrupt, worse for the county.. but preferred to the pale male party of diversity and equality.

That’s what it would take.. and even then it might not be enough. Corbyn was onto a winner but the right wing MPs in the party wouldn’t back him or the membership and ultimately Labour Party values. Their answer? To follow in the footsteps of the disastrous ‘Independent Group for Change’ to see the bland, flaccid and deceitful Lib Dems as a winning formula for success. This winter might see riots. I think the tories are all ready preparing for it tbh with their new crime bill.

Twitter isn’t real life as we saw the last two elections.
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I can’t see the Tories coming back from here, Johnson was the first Tory since 1992 to get a decent working majority and that was on the back of his chummy approach appealing to Northern Brexit voters.

I think the media have tried to make it feel like a Tory government is normal and to be expected since 2019 but that is far from the reality of the last 30 years.
 
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