Tories close gap on Labour to 1 point

Define "better"? A Labour majority is definitely better than an 80 seat Tory one.

Better will be and only can be defined after a General Election, if Labour are still 6 to 11 points in the lead by then, their manifesto will push that further.

It is however, highly unlikely Labour will gain a significant majority simply due to Scotland and the likelihood of tactical voting plus the inevitable people who will vote Tory regardless.
I thought the poster was being sarcastic regarding labour doing better but maybe not :)
 
I'm seeing it now as Lab/LD 50-55% and Con as 30%.

Can really see LAB/LD really working together on the tactical voting to get rid of these Tory clowns.
They might not have to Andy, though I prefer they do and we get a coalition. That leads naturally to pr I think.
 
They might not have to Andy, though I prefer they do and we get a coalition. That leads naturally to pr I think.
I pretty much know they won't have to, but also know that pretty much everyone who is against the Tories would more than happily take anyone else instead of the Tories. If seats are looking close/ at risk, then loads will vote tactically, and in other seats where there is less risk they will just vote whoever they like most. I fully expect one hell of a social media effort from the public, to help identify where seats are safe for Lab/LD or where it's going to need some tactics.

I don't see anything other than the Tories getting absolutely battered, in various different way's but it's 100% what I've expected as they've ***ed everyone off and their game of short term lies to paper over cracks was never going to be a solution to the massive void below, the only way it could have worked is if they weren't lieing, but it's all they've done. Had they told the actual truth they would still likely be in power at the next GE, albeit without brexit (which was their biggest lie of all, since BJ came in). At least Cameron and May where honest (ish) about brexit.

I just hope the Tory loss is so catastrophic that it leads to a complete overhaul, and puts to bed all these clowns we have in now, which I think it will do. I'd much rather Labour in power or a Labour/ Lib dem coalition, but also want the Tory opposition to be something like they were under all those pre BJ, as although those lot were bad, they're nothing like the current crop.

This bunch of tory clowns are going to be one hell of a mistake, but hopefully people learn from it. Hopefully some of those who voted for them/ brexit feel some guilt and take some responsibility for what they voted for and try to put it right by voting against them, rather than doubling down on a losing bet.
 
Don't you think Labour should be doing a lot better against this, the worst government we've ever had?

I think Scotland is one of the major reasons Labour's projected majority isn't bigger. They won 50+ seats there in the '97 landslide and, I think, 0 at the last election.

How poor the Torys are isn't massively relevant there; it's not really them that Labour are "against", is it? It's the SNP. If 20-30 of those went red, the majority would look a lot healthier.
 
I think Scotland is one of the major reasons Labour's projected majority isn't bigger. They won 50+ seats there in the '97 landslide and, I think, 0 at the last election.

How poor the Torys are isn't massively relevant there; it's not really them that Labour are "against", is it? It's the SNP. If 20-30 of those went red, the majority would look a lot healthier.
SNP voters won't vote Tory though, so in a way all they're doing is just guaranteeing seat losses for the Tories, which is more than good enough for now.

Then once the Tories are out we can figure out how to solve this mess.
 
SNP voters won't vote Tory though, so in a way all they're doing is just guaranteeing seat losses for the Tories, which is more than good enough for now.

OK; my post was in reply to one about Labour not doing better. While I'm happy to agree Tory losses are a good thing, it won't help Labour build a majority.

Labour won't take the Scottish conservative seats: they are not the main opposition in that area. They'll have to take seats from the SNP if they're to have a foothold in Scotland.
 
That's why his hair never gets finished.....too busy with 'other business'

There must be 'something about him' to have all these women hopping into bed with him....

Well they say power is a strong aphrodisiac. I can believe it given the state of him (and some of these other MPs who also seem to be having affairs left right and centre).

That said there's also usually a job promotion or suitcase full of tax payer money involved as part of the "deal". Which might also explain it a bit.
 
my main take from that is how can 31% of the country be that dim to want to continue this bonfire of our country under any Tory leadership, I mean you've got 12 years of destruction to look back on to make your judgement, and you 31% choose to do that!
Because they're frightened and see the Tories as the only bulwark against "unchecked immigration, LGBT nonsense and Brussels". As mad as it sounds, you can't underestimate this.
 
Because they're frightened and see the Tories as the only bulwark against "unchecked immigration, LGBT nonsense and Brussels". As mad as it sounds, you can't underestimate this.
oh I don't, I just despair at the stupidity of it, and the lack of analytical skills to see they should be far more worried about their falling standards of living, about the corruption of the elite stealing from teh people, the dismantling of any public services, the rediculous costs incurred to utilise what were once public services and are now investments for foreign companies etc. etc. ad nauseum
 
Even before Johnson went the Tories were outright favourites to win the next general election

Second most likely outcome was a hung parliament with Tories having more seats but struggling to find any other parties that would work with them
They were favourites but not by a lot and no overall majority was odds on.

So, according to the bookies a hung parliament was always the likeliest result.

The reason Labour were not favourites for a majority is how difficult that would be given snp and the likely rise of the lib dems as a Conservative alternative.
 
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