The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

Alvez_48 said:
Not to mention the t cell effect which via necessity is ignored..

What the modern pandemic has shown us is that mass collection of data is easy and can be manipulated in many ways.
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Exactly. Other forms of immunity barely get a mention by the government or media and one does have to question why. There are a number of research groups which have come to the same conclusion and we should be applying that knowledge to figuring out how widespread immunity may be across the population as a priority.

We have students isolating in halls who have tested positive, perfect test case...... How many of those go on to produce antibodies? How many don't? What about the students who have been in close contact with those people testing positive, how many of those do not contract the virus?

We have opened up considerably since the summer and the recent rise in cases, admissions, and deaths needs to be put into context of other respiratory pathogens that increase at this time of year. How do current admissions compare with yearly averages?

It is not like we have not had pressures from other pathogens before, see the article below from 2018.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572116

Did we shut down much of the economy, stop people from seeing family, stop cancer treatments? Should we have done?

And why are areas in the North seeing a gradual rise in cases and admissions (despite 'lockdown' restrictions in a number of places) while areas in the South and Midlands are not?
 
SmallTown said:
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If not longer yeah?
I've moved towards the cautious camp. I'm not at all comfortable with having a vaccine and letting my kids have a vaccine that has been rushed through with billions on the line.
Will have to see what's what. I'm not anti vax though either as both my kids have and all the relevant injections for their ages and I had all mine as a youngster growing up.

Photos of Sadiq Khan clearly staging a flu vaccination don't help those with doubts though.
 
RandySavage said:
If not longer yeah?
I've moved towards the cautious camp. I'm not at all comfortable with having a vaccine and letting my kids have a vaccine that has been rushed through with billions on the line.
Will have to see what's what. I'm not anti vax though either as both my kids have and all the relevant injections for their ages and I had all mine as a youngster growing up.

Photos of Sadiq Khan clearly staging a flu vaccination don't help those with doubts though.
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Until the effects of covid are known, ie asymptotic people can get lung scar tissue damage then i wouldnt risk this vaccine on myself or family
 
The cynic in me tells me this was planned from the government. Boris does a series of interviews where it looks like the cases are easing off and then they’ve released them later so he doesn’t have to deal with

but for that to happen they’d have to be more smart people on around government
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 22,961 new cases reported in 24-hour period, up from yesterday's 12,872
• 7-day average for new cases increases by 34.0% to 9,716 per day, following 15.6% increase yesterday (and 41st increase in the past 44 days)
• 7-day average for new cases is 67.0% higher than one week ago (from 30.4% higher yesterday) and 164.1% higher than two weeks ago (from 101.5% higher yesterday and 90.7% higher 7 days ago)
• 33 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, down from 49 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test increases by 4.6% to 52 per day, following 4.5% increase yesterday (and 20th increase in the past 22 days)
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 71.6% higher than one week ago (from 63.2% higher yesterday) and 143.0% higher than two weeks ago (from 154.5% higher yesterday and 174.0% higher 7 days ago)
 
The government states that the rise in cases over the past two cases has been caused by an under-reporting of 15,841 cases with specimen dates between 25th September and 2nd October. Statistically, this has the effect of inflating the 7-day average (and its rise over the past two weeks) only very slightly, but inflating the rise in the 7-day average since both yesterday and one week ago much more significantly.

Hopefully, they'll issue a revised set of daily figures for the past week that will enable us to observe and understand the recent trend more accurately.
 
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The rise in the 7-day average for new cases over the past two weeks (which is broadly unaffected by the late reporting of the actual positive case numbers) is consistent with a doubling of cases every 10 days. Less than 10% of the increase can be explained by increased testing.
 
So, reports saying that the error was as a result of using an Excel spreadsheet as a database. Each case per column rather than a row, which runs out at around ~16k.

How much money has been put into this? 😒
 
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