The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

Alvez_48

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I don't reply to him @SmallTown . I'm not alone there's plenty that have him on ignore. 👍🏻

Incase you missed it here's Switzerland:-
 

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bear66

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Hey how are no lockdown Switzerland getting on gang?

Can't compare obviously they're just better than us at following rules.
The restrictions they introduced at the end of October, along with quarantine requirements from France etc., seem to be working as cases just beginning to fall. Deaths still rising but will hopefully fall following time lag. Looks similar to what happened in France, Wales and NI and hopefully us too follow.
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Alvez_48

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The restrictions they introduced at the end of October, along with quarantine requirements from France etc., seem to be working as cases just beginning to fall. Deaths still rising but will hopefully fall following time lag. Looks similar to what happened in France, Wales and NI and hopefully us too follow.
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Life goes on as normal for most Swiss.. 😉
 

bear66

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As of 9am on 19 November, 1,453,256 people have tested positive for COVID-19 in the UK.

Positive cases were 22,915.

501 deaths were reported today.

63,873 deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate.
 
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Statto1

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It doesn't change anything regarding the efficacy of lockdown anyway. I mean the positive case rate was where it is now and rhinovirus seasons do end to give way to flu seasons normally. You do know this so won't address it, with any luck covid has knocked our flu season out like it has elsewhere.
The growth rate for cases has been declining roughly in line with the measures taken.
September, rapid increase and growing, no major localised measures or tiers
October still increasing, but not as much, localised measures for bad areas before nationwide tiers 1-3
November looks to be plateauing out (lockdown lite)

There looks to have been a bit of a dip in testing early November, but cases were still rising then. But since, testing has increased by about 25% yet cases are only around 10% higher. That's a fairly good sign that things are getting slightly better, or at least not much worse. Testing capacity has gone from 300k to 500k per day, in the last 4 weeks too.
 

Billy Horner

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Today's headline analysis:

• 22,915 new cases reported in 24-hour period, up from yesterday's 19,609
• 7-day average for new cases decreases by 6.1% to 23,294 per day, following 1.9% decrease yesterday (and 3rd consecutive daily decrease)
• 7-day average for new cases is 2.4% lower than one week ago (from 10.1% higher yesterday) and 3.3% higher than two weeks ago (from 10.7% higher yesterday and 7.8% higher 7 days ago)
• 501 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, down from 529 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test decreases by 2.1% to 407 per day, following 2.2% decrease yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 1.4% higher than one week ago (from 10.9% higher yesterday) and 31.5% higher than two weeks ago (from 40.7% higher yesterday and 74.6% higher 7 days ago)
 

Alvez_48

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OK, I'll ask. How come you were selective with your dates? And specifically only chose the days that historically have reported low levels of testing?

It's literally just something I noticed, hadn't looked into the number of processed tests and was just browsing the covid dashboard and it stood out to me. Is that ok?
 

SmallTown

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It's literally just something I noticed, hadn't looked into the number of processed tests and was just browsing the covid dashboard and it stood out to me. Is that ok
It ,makes it look like you're trying to manipulate the stats to prove your point.
 

Statto1

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Ignoring @Statto1 post I see? Shame
I don't reply to him @SmallTown . I'm not alone there's plenty that have him on ignore. 👍🏻

Incase you missed it here's Switzerland:-

He's burying his head in the sand SmallTown, it's classic ignorance of facts from the tin foil hat wearers, it's like his "don't test, no cases" mantra, it's straight out of Trumps playbook. Or he's trying to be deceptive on purpose, which is a bit sick, during a pandemic.

The above either precedes or follows a changing of arguments/ subject or moving to a different location to talk crap. They don't respond to scrutiny.

It ,makes it look like you're trying to manipulate the stats to prove your point.
Well I'm not so 🤷‍♂️

If he's not trying to manipulate SmallTown then this would just prove him as completely incompetent of using statistics correctly, or he's just a troll.
 

SmallTown

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He's burying his head in the sand SmallTown, it's classic ignorance of facts from the tin foil hat wearers, it's like his "don't test, no cases" mantra, it's straight out of Trumps playbook. Or he's trying to be deceptive on purpose, which is a bit sick, during a pandemic.

The above either precedes or follows a changing of arguments/ subject or moving to a different location to talk crap. They don't respond to scrutiny.




If he's not trying to manipulate SmallTown then this would just prove him as completely incompetent of using statistics correctly, or he's just a troll.
His last post was very Trumpian wasn't it: "You point out it looks like he's being selective with the data, because he was selective with the data"

HIs resonse was "Fake News"

No apology for using incomplete data, no evidence to repudiate the accusation he's changing things to suit his agenda just "I'm not" When it looks for all the world like he does.
 

Statto1

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His last post was very Trumpian wasn't it: "You point out it looks like he's being selective with the data, because he was selective with the data"

HIs resonse was "Fake News"

No apology for using incomplete data, no evidence to repudiate the accusation he's changing things to suit his agenda just "I'm not" When it looks for all the world like he does.
Exactly!

He talks of Switzerland "carrying on as normal" when they're averaging 100 deaths per day, for a country with only 8m people, that's like us being on 850 per day, and claiming it's all rosy. It's like being sat in a fire and getting the marshmallows out. Their measures below aren't much slacker than us, yet the slackness is reflected in their death toll.
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It's the same with how he's no longer talking about Sweden seeing as their cases are going through the roof, and they're adding on deaths retrospectively, left right and centre. They've actually even started to request much stricter lockdown measures a few weeks back, although not strict enough yet, looking at their curves.

Even the Swedish PM is saying they're in trouble:
“It is a clear and sharp signal to every person in our country as to what applies in the future. Don’t go to the gym, don’t go the library, don’t have dinner out, don’t have parties — cancel!” Mr Lofven told a press conference.

Mr Lofven called the ban on large public gatherings a “new normal”. He added: “Advice and recommendations went a long way this spring, but now compliance [with them] is lower. Now more of a ban is needed to bring down the curve of the number infected.”
 

Alvez_48

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His last post was very Trumpian wasn't it: "You point out it looks like he's being selective with the data, because he was selective with the data"

HIs resonse was "Fake News"

No apology for using incomplete data, no evidence to repudiate the accusation he's changing things to suit his agenda just "I'm not" When it looks for all the world like he does.

Hey I'm sorry for seeing something and reporting it.. I wasn't under the impression that there was a weekly Tuesday effect on cases. I'm in no way Trumpian, all the things you've got wrong, billys got wrong no apologies and now I'm supposed to get on my knees and beg forgiveness, I just acknowledged it and moved on.
I didn't post oh look cases went up yesterday when they processed a **** load more tests.
If I'm Trump then you're Hitler ST. 😉

Meanwhile back in Sweden looks like things are back to being alright:-

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SmallTown

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Hey I'm sorry for seeing something and reporting it.. I wasn't under the impression that there was a weekly Tuesday effect on cases. I'm in no way Trumpian, all the things you've got wrong, billys got wrong no apologies and now I'm supposed to get on my knees and beg forgiveness, I just acknowledged it and moved on.
I didn't post oh look cases went up yesterday when they processed a **** load more tests.
If I'm Trump then you're Hitler ST. 😉

Meanwhile back in Sweden looks like things are back to being alright:-

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Disappointing over reaction.
 

SmallTown

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I don't think it is.

Noticed it recently more than ever, if anybody other than Bear, Billy or Statto(as of late) posts something covid related it's automatically shot down, sometimes snidely, sometimes quietly, sometimes aggressively. @cliverd was even argued with yesterday even though he'd pulled his figures from the ONS website.

Whilst I agree that some figures stand up on their own two feet others don't. Look at the recent revelation about SAGE using stuff from Wikipedia to help with the modelling that brought the first lockdown in and yet still they are held up as the all mighty. They didn't even have a Coronavirus expert on the committee even though, believe it or not, this country actually had a group of them.

Whilst none of us on here are scientists, scientists disagree all the time, it's how the human race has progressed as a species. But the Government aren't listening to a variety of scientists, only a select few.
There is a wealth of information out there which more and more people are going out to search for themselves. Surely that's a good thing.
To be fair, the reason alvez was shot down this time was because he presented incomplete data to try and prove his point. It was relevant to take him up on that. The fact how was so unapologetic (until his bizarre OTT "apology" today) tells it's own story about how desperate he is to prove whatever point he has.
 

Alvez_48

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I'm not desperate for anything ST I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy with a bit of humour (good humour is always close to the bone) and now you act as if you're a wounded dog when we both know you're not.

There are a handful of fanatics on here and I actually don't count you as one of them so honestly relax, kickback and have a glass of Rosé.
 

Statto1

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Meanwhile back in Sweden looks like things are back to being alright:-
I trust he won't reply, but, oh dear, again he failed to realise Sweden adds deaths retrospectively, this has only been known for about 5 months. He's linking something showing a decline from 9th to today (yet they don't have all the numbers in for up to 10 days). It's like Trump stopping the count, before all the votes come in. The daily deaths chart gives an indication that they're permanently in decline, but keep an eye on the figures for a set time frame, and check them a week later, they're two different stories.

Anyway, lets see where 11-17th Nov deaths look like next week, once all the figures are in. They're going to be much worse unfortunately.
But one things for sure, that peak around the 9th wasn't shown on the 9th.

Bear posted the below yesterday on the Sweden thread, which explains it better, and funnily enough there were no replies after that...wonder why. Info from this link https://ourworldindata.org/covid-sweden-death-reporting

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This is Sweden's cases and intensive care admissions, they're up by 50% cases and nearly 100% ICU admissions, in a week. I don't think that's going to end up in less deaths, like he's trying to claim. There's no sign of this levelling off for them yet either, which is why their PM is pleading with the people to take more care and keep more distance.

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