The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

Cases marginally dropping. Did you expect deaths to drop this early into a lockdown?

My friend it's the first day there's been a drop in cases there were plenty just like it before lockdown, I'm just pointing out the sillyness of the idea that lockdown has anything other than a marginal impact. 👍🏻
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 20,051 new cases reported in 24-hour period, down from yesterday's 21,363
• 7-day average for new cases decreases by 0.20% to 25,280 per day, following 0.01% increase yesterday
• 7-day average for new cases is 10.7% higher than one week ago (from 11.2% higher yesterday) and 13.2% higher than two weeks ago (from 11.4% higher yesterday and 3.1% higher 7 days ago)
• 598 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, up from 213 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test increases by 2.3% to 425 per day, following 0.7% increase yesterday (and 60th increase in the past 63 days)
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 18.1% higher than one week ago (from 22.0% higher yesterday) and 57.8% higher than two weeks ago (from 56.8% higher yesterday and 80.3% higher 7 days ago)
 
There’s a 3 week lag, I’m sure alvez knows this

alvez you claimed this was no longer a pandemic a few weeks ago. What’s your view now?

Mate I'm referring to cases and then made that clear in the reply, do you ever read what I write?

In terms of the Pandemic I'd say it's now become a seasonal endemic virus which if it doesn't mutate should be sorted by April with all these super vaccines. I also believe those death statistics are inflated and that our excess deaths are being driven by lack of access to care and fear of accessing care.

There's all sorts of data that makes me think I'm right and you can provide data that you think makes you right. Lets just skip the dance and agree that we don't agree.
 
What's worth looking here is the England only number rather than UK as we are the ones in lockdown. England is down by almost 1100 cases vs last Tuesday. Hopefully this trend continues over the coming days.
 
What's worth looking here is the England only number rather than UK as we are the ones in lockdown. England is down by almost 1100 cases vs last Tuesday. Hopefully this trend continues over the coming days.
Yep never understood why we count Scotland, Wales and especially Northern Ireland.
 
It would be nice if we could follow what's happened during lockdown in France. Down to 14k cases today.

How strict is their lock down compared to here, they seem to have R below 1?

I couldn't find anything meaningful on France before, but there's a link on worldometers for where they get their info, if you go down to the date and look at the source. I think their worldometers graph is misleading, because of the way thy record their figures. Their public health thinks the peak of the second wave was about two weeks ago.

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/san...-la-barre-des-deux-millions-de-cas-1605638458
https://dashboard.covid19.data.gouv.fr/vue-d-ensemble?location=FRA
 
How strict is their lock down compared to here, they seem to have R below 1?

I couldn't find anything meaningful on France before, but there's a link on worldometers for where they get their info, if you go down to the date and look at the source. I think their worldometers graph is misleading, because of the way thy record their figures. Their public health thinks the peak of the second wave was about two weeks ago.

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/san...-la-barre-des-deux-millions-de-cas-1605638458
https://dashboard.covid19.data.gouv.fr/vue-d-ensemble?location=FRA
It is more difficult to be out of the house. You have to have a form giving you 'permission'. But, restriction wise, it doesn't seem a lot different to here with schools and factories open. On the positive side, they looked totally out of control but there has been a huge drop in cases from a peak of 86,000 cases.

Wales and Northern Ireland have also fallen from high infection rates. Scotland only slightly though and England hasn't yet after two weeks. I think it was rico on another thread saying there were a lot ignoring meeting in houses in his street; I don't know if that is typical of other areas.
 
It is more difficult to be out of the house. You have to have a form giving you 'permission'. But, restriction wise, it doesn't seem a lot different to here with schools and factories open. On the positive side, they looked totally out of control but there has been a huge drop in cases from a peak of 86,000 cases.

Wales and Northern Ireland have also fallen from high infection rates. Scotland only slightly though and England hasn't yet after two weeks. I think it was rico on another thread saying there were a lot ignoring meeting in houses in his street; I don't know if that is typical of other areas.

I get that, and I would be up for that. We should manage R, to allow things that are important (school and work) but be a lot more restrictive on things that are not important (in the grand scheme of things), but either way, that total needs to be below 1 somehow.
The thing is here, people want both, they want to have their cake and eat it, and it's not possible. They want to work, they want schools open, they want hospitals open, they want pubs open.......not happening, not possible, especially not in winter, especially not in the UK with our ignorance.

There is simply not enough leeway with the "R", everything we do effects the R and growth rate, then once we go over the top, we're in a big problem.
R for one set of rules in summer seems like it's different for winter too, which is to be expected, so we need to be tighter now than we were in April. People seem more lax now too, when they need to be tighter. Each countries acceptance of "rules" is going to be different too, what works in a more caring country won't work as well in a more ignorant country.

Imagine them suggesting a "permission slip" in the UK, there would be an absolute meltdown from the anti-lockdown lot or covid deniers.

People on my street are shopping a few times a week, having people around, some in the house, some having parties. Some of my mates live in slightly less affluent area and they describe things ten times worse than I see mind.

That 86k looks like it should have been spread out over other days, their graph is all over the place, but at least they know it's coming down, good for them.
 
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It is more difficult to be out of the house. You have to have a form giving you 'permission'. But, restriction wise, it doesn't seem a lot different to here with schools and factories open. On the positive side, they looked totally out of control but there has been a huge drop in cases from a peak of 86,000 cases.

Wales and Northern Ireland have also fallen from high infection rates. Scotland only slightly though and England hasn't yet after two weeks. I think it was rico on another thread saying there were a lot ignoring meeting in houses in his street; I don't know if that is typical of other areas.
This country simply cannot police keeping people in their homes for a multitude of reasons.
Childcare.
Work.
Shopping.
Not enough police to hand out fines (although they have been told to give court summons instead now).
Lockdown fatigue.

People are fed up. It's human nature. Even the media which was massively in favour of lockdown at the start of the all this have turned.

Permission slips? Sod off 😀
 
This country simply cannot police keeping people in their homes for a multitude of reasons.
Childcare.
Work.
Shopping.
Not enough police to hand out fines (although they have been told to give court summons instead now).
Lockdown fatigue.

People are fed up. It's human nature. Even the media which was massively in favour of lockdown at the start of the all this have turned.

Permission slips? Sod off 😀
No one is keeping you in your home. Is that what your social media feeds are telling you?
 
No one is keeping you in your home. Is that what your social media feeds are telling you?
No but that is the ultimate idea for a lockdown lover's perfect lockdown isn't it? In Greece you apparently have to text a number,
I know nobody keeps me in my home as I leave it everyday. 🤔
 
No but that is the ultimate idea for a lockdown lover's perfect lockdown isn't it? In Greece you apparently have to text a number,
I know nobody keeps me in my home as I leave it everyday. 🤔
No it isnt. Did your social media feeds tell you that?

Great to hear lockdown isn't lockdown for you. There's lots of fresh air to enjoy outside.
 
I think the problem is that in April people in all age groups were petrified, I'm mid 30's and got everything delivered for 3 months and it took me until maybe May before I started going out for walks. I live in a village and should not have been that worried.

As time has gone by and people have gained more insight into the personal risk to them, they've maybe lost some of that initial fear factor, which coupled with lockdown fatigue is leading to disobeying the rules.

We've not had anyone in our house or been to anyone else's, however, I do go food shopping pretty carefree a couple of times a week. Saying that my local area isn't anywhere near as badly hit as Teesside, so have a degree of confidence that the risk of me catching it is low. Will continue to assess things when stuff reopens, I hope I can have a couple of pints at my local (sat outside with down jacket on) in the run up to Christmas.
 
No but that is the ultimate idea for a lockdown lover's perfect lockdown isn't it? In Greece you apparently have to text a number,
I know nobody keeps me in my home as I leave it everyday. 🤔

I can't remember which thread it was from last week, but someone was bemoaning the fact that their neighbour had left the house more than once that day as though we're not allowed to.

That's what happens now, people are judgemental to the extreme, especially the ones who have a nice cushy job they can do from home with no worries.
 
I think the problem is that in April people in all age groups were petrified, I'm mid 30's and got everything delivered for 3 months and it took me until maybe May before I started going out for walks. I live in a village and should not have been that worried.

As time has gone by and people have gained more insight into the personal risk to them, they've maybe lost some of that initial fear factor, which coupled with lockdown fatigue is leading to disobeying the rules.

We've not had anyone in our house or been to anyone else's, however, I do go food shopping pretty carefree a couple of times a week. Saying that my local area isn't anywhere near as badly hit as Teesside, so have a degree of confidence that the risk of me catching it is low. Will continue to assess things when stuff reopens, I hope I can have a couple of pints at my local (sat outside with down jacket on) in the run up to Christmas.

I'm not belittling what you've gone through mentally but if someone like you is acting like this, bearing in mind you're in an extremely low risk age group, you don't live in a high risk area and also don't live in a built up area, then think how this will affect the whole country for the coming years.
 
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