The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

Laughing

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I do hope the government get hold of this or that TAD, Alvez et al are right. Even a moderate flu season ontop of covid will destroy the nhs and imagine what it will do to their morale, and none of that even mentions the toll in human suffering and mortality.
 
The hospital admissions figure was probably the worst figure today. The highest admissions since 15 May. We're going backwards (in a bad way) far too quickly.
I don’t disagree it is a big number, my point is that it is the most reliable indicator. I would also make the figures regional so you can see the level of admissions in each area. That would mean far more to a layman like me than saying 19,000 people have tested positive when you know most of those will be minor cases.
I suspect that the likes of Hancock and Johnson think the size of the announced number is far more important than what it represents and in fairness they might be right in terms of trying to get people to take the problem seriously.
 

bear66

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I don’t disagree it is a big number, my point is that it is the most reliable indicator. I would also make the figures regional so you can see the level of admissions in each area. That would mean far more to a layman like me than saying 19,000 people have tested positive when you know most of those will be minor cases.
I suspect that the likes of Hancock and Johnson think the size of the announced number is far more important than what it represents and in fairness they might be right in terms of trying to get people to take the problem seriously.
It's also an early warning that numbers of infections is likely to lead to an increase in admissions. Getting a one to two week warning should allow preemptive actions to be put in place.

Agree that regional admission data without be useful to inform and warn.
 

Billy Horner

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I would also make the figures regional so you can see the level of admissions in each area. That would mean far more to a layman like me than saying 19,000 people have tested positive when you know most of those will be minor cases.

IAgree that regional admission data without be useful to inform and warn.
They publish the regional admissions data on the daily admissions spreadsheet here:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

You can clearly see that the admissions are concentrated in the North West and North East & Yorkshire regions.

Doesn’t include the breakdown on total numbers in hospital and numbers on ventilators that you get in the national data. Also, only goes back to 1st August, so you can track recent trends but can’t compare that to the situation in March/April.
 
That's not right. You said that once before. If you are admitted and leave the same day, you wouldn't be counted.

Hopefully general social distancing will dramatically reduce flu numbers as it is less contagious than SARS2.
Bear, are you sure ?
My regional hospital has had 2 fatalities "where covid was mentioned" since June.
MY neighbour, a nurse at said hospital tells me they had 6 admissions in one day (incidentally all from the local Uni.) all discharged but still classed as admissions.
 

Billy Horner

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Bear, are you sure ?
My regional hospital has had 2 fatalities "where covid was mentioned" since June.
MY neighbour, a nurse at said hospital tells me they had 6 admissions in one day (incidentally all from the local Uni.) all discharged but still classed as admissions.
Why would they admit 6 people who weren’t ill enough to require an overnight stay?

Generally, once your admitted to hospital, you’re staying there until a consultant says you can go home. With Covid, I doubt they would think someone was so ill they needed to be admitted to hospital and then decide to send them home without at least observing them overnight.

Your neighbour isn’t talking about people attending A&E with Covid are they, which is a different thing from being admitted to hospital?
 

Laughing

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Great data
They publish the regional admissions data on the daily admissions spreadsheet here:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

You can clearly see that the admissions are concentrated in the North West and North East & Yorkshire regions.

Doesn’t include the breakdown on total numbers in hospital and numbers on ventilators that you get in the national data. Also, only goes back to 1st August, so you can track recent trends but can’t compare that to the situation in March/April.
Great data source - shame it didn't have more historical data though.
 
Why would they admit 6 people who weren’t ill enough to require an overnight stay?

Generally, once your admitted to hospital, you’re staying there until a consultant says you can go home. With Covid, I doubt they would think someone was so ill they needed to be admitted to hospital and then decide to send them home without at least observing them overnight.

Your neighbour isn’t talking about people attending A&E with Covid are they, which is a different thing from being admitted to hospital?
Apparently "admitted for observation" and then, as you say, sent home after being seen by a consultant. But no overnight stay.
 

Alvez_48

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@Lifelonfaninexile that makes logical sense to me..
What's annoying is it is surely an easy statistic to add when the media hype up the event.
Admissions and then Discharged why would you not put it in?
Similar to numbers on ventilators Vs people in bed with ventilators. These are important statistics if you want to be transparent and not just scare the public.
 

Laughing

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Alvez, whilst you and I don't agree on much, I would agree that the government and media, probably led by the government are engendering fear in the public. I am not sure why, probably to get acceptance for a general lock down which I think the government will eventually u-turn on. This will further split the Tory party as those on the right absolutely don't want a lock down, and not for the reasons you don't want a lock down either.

Things right now are not all doom and gloom, though I think it soon will be, thanks to the ineptitude of those in power and their suppliers/donors/supporters (delete as applicable). We still have an opportunity to get on top of this with T & T, though, obviously, I think this is unlikely.

An open and honest assessment from the government with the facts and figures (the accurate ones, not made up tests etc,) would go some way to getting the public back on-side and give social distancing a chance to work and avoid more general lockdowns. maybe even, and dare I suggest it, an apology from the government on their crap handling of things and a promise to do better.

The problem they have is they have gone so far down the route of corruption and lies, turning back now would see an end to Johnson and his cabinet. He [Johnson] covets the power more than he cares about our well being, unfortunately.
 

Alvez_48

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I'm sure we agree on most things not Covid related to be honest @Laughing but this is what life should be about, being able to disagree on something and not let that affect the relationship further than that disagreement. Somewhere along the line the modern world seems to have forgotten that.

Oh and p.s. the Tories are absolute bellends.
 

Laughing

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I'm sure we agree on most things not Covid related to be honest @Laughing but this is what life should be about, being able to disagree on something and not let that affect the relationship further than that disagreement. Somewhere along the line the modern world seems to have forgotten that.

Oh and p.s. the Tories are absolute bellends.
You are right Alvez, of course, it just so happens we are at loggerheads a lot over covid so it appears the distance between us is bigger than it actually is.
 
My village has had a good run, but today has over the threshold of 3 cases in the area for the first time to appear on the interactive map since the map was launched. Been coming we've been boxed in on all sides by cases for about 10 days
 

Billy Horner

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Today's headline analysis:

• 15,635 new cases reported in 24-hour period, down from yesterday's 18.980
• 7-day average for new cases increases by 1.6% to 16,226 per day, following 1.3% decrease yesterday (and 45th increase in the past 48 days)
• 7-day average for new cases is 4.7% higher than one week ago (from 10.0% higher yesterday) and 158.7% higher than two weeks ago (from 155.2% higher yesterday and 192.5% higher 7 days ago)
• 136 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, virtually unchanged from 138 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test increases by 7.0% to 107 per day, following 9.5% increase yesterday (and 29th increase in the past 31 days)
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 82.5% higher than one week ago (from 79.7% higher yesterday) and 126.6% higher than two weeks ago (from 133.7% higher yesterday and 100.5% higher 7 days ago)
 

Billy Horner

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Highest number of positive tests (7-day average) as a proportion of all tests processed (7-day average) since 12th May (same date as last week).
Highest 7-day average for hospital admissions since 23rd May (probably since slightly before then, as the most recent data available does not include Scotland) (12 days earlier than last week).
Highest number of people on ventilation since 3rd June (6 days earlier than last week).
Highest 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test since 13th June (18 days earlier than last week).
First instance of four consecutive days with 130 or more new deaths announced since 6th June (20 days earlier than last week's comparison with 70 or more deaths on four consecutive days).
 

Billy Horner

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On ventilation or in ventilation beds Billy?
Occupying beds equipped for ventilation Randy.

Of course, given the well known lack of ICU/ventilation capacity in the NHS (at any time, not just during this pandemic), you’d have to be an absolute tin foil hat brigade loon to believe that the entire medical profession would conspire to allocate such beds to patients who didn’t need them.

Fortunately, I know that wouldn’t apply to you.
 

RandySavage

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Occupying beds equipped for ventilation Randy.

Of course, given the well known lack of ICU/ventilation capacity in the NHS (at any time, not just during this pandemic), you’d have to be an absolute tin foil hat brigade loon to believe that the entire medical profession would conspire to allocate such beds to patients who didn’t need them.

Fortunately, I know that wouldn’t apply to you.
You've assumed by looking at the figures that every single person in a bed equipped for ventilation is on a ventilator with just covid-19 wrong with them.
They may be in hospital for ICU for one of a plethora of different conditions, traumas or illnesses that require ventilation. Also true that they may have tested positive for covid-19 on admission to hospital.

You don't always have to assume worst case scenario.

I mean its a nightmare in Middlesbrough last I heard, constant flow of ambulances into James Cook.
 
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