Sunderland vs Coventry

Everyone thought Rhodes fit the model well , he was utter **** for us in my opinion .

The most important thing to me is what wilder wants and if the players fit his system . There is no point buying a player if the manager doesn’t want him .
 
indeedido said:
There is not only one way.
A blend makes most sense.

Some frees, some loans, some prospect signings; but the ability to spot absolute quality, back your judgement and put your money where your mouth is is key.
If Gyokeres hits 20 plus this season then he will go to the PL- either with us or without - and for a fee well over £25m.
If we sign him our chances of promotion greatly improve. Even if he doesn't score 20 plus we will still have the best striker in the Championship.
If he fires us up then he would be fit to lead our line in the PL - one less new signing we would desperately need.

This utter bull **** about needing to operate like Norwich and turn EVERY player is ridiculous. They don't, nor do Brentford.
Ironically buying Gyokeres for £15m to me is investing in a young player whose value will explode - just from a higher base because he IS that good.
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When did I say EVERY player needs to go for a profit? I said we need to be doing that consistently, not for every single player.

So if Gyokeres scores 20 goals which he never has done before he will go for well more than any other non-English Championship player has? It's not likely to happen and I say that as someone who rates him very highly. It's all if buts and maybes, the club shouldn't be operating like that anymore, not in the Championship anyway. Marcus Forss is the perfect example of what we should be doing, young player for a very reasonable fee, if he scores 10+ his value will at least double and if he doesn't then you'll always be able to move him on for not much less than we got him for.

indeedido said:
but the ability to spot absolute quality, back your judgement and put your money where your mouth is is key.
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Where is the evidence to support this? What Championship club that doesn't have the benefit of parachute payments has blasted that amount of money on one player and had it pay off? The only ones I can think of were Helder Costa and Ruben Neves but Wolves had some dodgy deal going on with Jorge Mendes.
 
Jedi boro said:
Toney Brentford
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Again, the deal was structured so that he had to perform and they had to get promoted, that's very different. If Gyokeres cost us £5m and another £10m on promotion then I'm sure we would go for that but I doubt Coventry would.
 
Chappy112 said:
Again, the deal was structured so that he had to perform and they had to get promoted, that's very different. If Gyokeres cost us £5m and another £10m on promotion then I'm sure we would go for that but I doubt Coventry would.
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But that was the equivalent then for little Brentford. Btw we enquired about Toney but thought 10mil was too much.
 
Chappy112 said:
Again, the deal was structured so that he had to perform and they had to get promoted, that's very different. If Gyokeres cost us £5m and another £10m on promotion then I'm sure we would go for that but I doubt Coventry would.
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That’s exactly it; people without knowledge of either the price Coventry would sell at or on what terms (or what we can even afford) are just saying go and get the player.

If only football was as simple as that. Just go and buy all the other best players in the division simple.
 
lostinyorkshire said:
You only have to see his touch strength and balance to see that he is a far better player im afraid. He will go to the top absolutely no doubt
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Gyokeres and Riis both scored 20 goals in mid table teams. Both had excellent games again us. One will cost double the other, probably more when you take into account the overall package.

Gyokeres is an excellent player, his goal today proved that. But would you rather have 5-6 players in to boost a paper thin squad or 2-3 including one who, if it doesn't work out, could cripple the club for the term of his contract?

He may well go to the top, but with us.......think he could be out of our range.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
h_m_boro said:
Gyokeres and Riis both scored 20 goals in mid table teams. Both had excellent games again us. One will cost double the other, probably more when you take into account the overall package.

Gyokeres is an excellent player, his goal today proved that. But would you rather have 5-6 players in to boost a paper thin squad or 2-3 including one who, if it doesn't work out, could cripple the club for the term of his contract?

He may well go to the top, but with us.......think he could be out of our range.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
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Tbf I’d take either
 
I would expect him to move to a premier League team in January when someone is desperate for goals. I don't think we could attract him to come to us
 
We know how much a decent striker makes so if Ross Stewart makes his mark in this league they might flirt with the top half for a bit although don’t see them ending up there this season
 
festa5 said:
Funny isn't it. By all accounts Gyokeres is keen to move. But so far noone has met Coventry's valuation so he's still there.

Whereas we seem to be operating on a basis of if a player wants to move we have to roll over and accept the best offer even if it's clearly much lower than we'd like.

We're a soft touch no matter how much the club are desperately trying to suggest otherwise. Unless of course the club actively wanted to sell Tav, but that's not what they're saying.
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I think we just wanted the money more than the player simple .
 
Think people are underestimating how much Coventry would want. They will want close to 20 million upfront In my opinion. It’s too much money
 
h_m_boro said:
But there is absolutely no guarantee, in our system, that he would hit 20 goals . None. He's playing in whatever system at Coventry and it works for him.
We need at least 5 players in so blowing pretty much all of the transfer budget on one player who may/may not be a success is madness. The price Coventry are asking (£18-20m if you believe the chatter🤷🏻‍♂️) is out of our reach. And how much would we have to pay him - a £15-20m player would be looking at £50k week surely - double our top earner.
Why no go for Riis at Preston.......scored 20 in a worse team and would cost half of what Gyokeres would?
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There is such little imagination and ambition.
Gyokeres for an initial £12.5m with sensible structured add ons based on what he does and what we do is realistic and presents value.
That would hit our P&L by £2.5m this year if he signed a 5 year deal.

Most fans don't seem to grasp the financial boost the club has just got.
£22.5m THIS season.
This presents Gibson with the biggest boost to potentially get out of the division and stop his death spiral of propping up losses every year in the Championship.
 
indeedido said:
There is such little imagination and ambition.
Gyokeres for an initial £12.5m with sensible structured add ons based on what he does and what we do is realistic and presents value.
That would hit our P&L by £2.5m this year if he signed a 5 year deal.

Most fans don't seem to grasp the financial boost the club has just got.
£22.5m THIS season.
This presents Gibson with the biggest boost to potentially get out of the division and stop his death spiral of propping up losses every year in the Championship.
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It’s very likely Coventry will want more than that though. That’s the problem. Even more so after today
 
Diego said:
Think people are underestimating how much Coventry would want. They will want close to 20 million upfront In my opinion. It’s too much money
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I can’t see any club in the championship expecting £20m up front but I’m assuming we’ve probably got better deals overall for the strikers coming overall
 
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