Stop with the Carrick out threads

Well, realistically he's got a few games left to show us something.

The mark of a manager isn't when you've stumbled upon someone like Akpom in his run of form last season.

It's when you've got 4 games in 2 weeks and you're trying to balance half a team of new recruits who don't look up to it with half a team of more established players who are ***ed off.

Show us something Carrick

For the love of God, please.

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almost regardless of we’re we finish I would like to see Carrick stay, he will learn and that can only make him better in the long run we may not be involved in any promotion challenge come the end of the season but any sort of progression from this point will stand us in good stead for next season , personally I think he needs a season or two before being judged
 
uncle_rico said:
Pedantics. Its basically left wing and its not his natural position. Would've made more sense to play hackney there and play O'Brien at CM where he has played and done well in this league. We had Jones, Greenwood and Rogers who can all play there too, so was a very strange selection.
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what is Greenwood's natural position?
 
And he played in CM for Leeds last year. I was just wondering where his 'out of position' would be if players are only allowed to have one natural position.
 
@BoroPhil mate you're all over the shop here honestly if you don't think playing players out of position is a bad thing then there's no debating you.

Plenty of people don't like Forss on the wing and didn't like him there last season.

If anything it's proving that momentum carried us last year rather than Carrick because he was making these daft calls last year the difference is he got away with it, the problem is when the momentum stops the flaw in the style becomes very evident
 
alvez_49 said:
@BoroPhil mate you're all over the shop here honestly if you don't think playing players out of position is a bad thing then there's no debating you.

Plenty of people don't like Forss on the wing and didn't like him there last season.

If anything it's proving that momentum carried us last year rather than Carrick because he was making these daft calls last year the difference is he got away with it, the problem is when the momentum stops the flaw in the style becomes very evident
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what is out of position though and who decides it?
was Akpom playing as no.10 a bad thing?
Do you have a link to all the threads saying Forss on the wing was bad from last season?
seems to me what you are saying is when we are winning it's fine but when we are losing it isn't?
 
It's all down to a test of Gibson and his resolve, especially if things don't improve points wise.
Does he persist with Carrick regardless or is the fear of relegation going to make him pull the trigger?
Recent history would suggest the latter, wether you think that is justified or not.
 
InglebyUTB said:
A striker playing a striker role he is capable of playing is not playing out of position.
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ok - but 'a role he is capable of playing' is pretty subjective. whether we agree with it or not Carrick clearly thought that was the case with O'Brien on Saturday.
 
BoroPhil said:
what is out of position though and who decides it?
was Akpom playing as no.10 a bad thing?
Do you have a link to all the threads saying Forss on the wing was bad from last season?
seems to me what you are saying is when we are winning it's fine but when we are losing it isn't?
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I definitely said I wasn't a fan of Forss on the wing. It can work at times and then you extrapolate and say it will always work but when you really analyse it there is a difference. Forss is a striker and sometimes wingers make runs like a striker so when we had the opportunity to play Forss in behind and he ran through and scored it looks like Forss being a winger was why it worked. When you take a step back you realise that the game is bigger than that one moment. All the things you want a winger to do Forss doesn't do. He makes runs like a striker, not a winger which means he runs into the position a striker would and it gets in the way of other players making their runs or he takes defenders with him and the available space for others reduces. He's always been a striker so he defends like a striker and not a midfielder which means he probably chases players instead of defending spaces and he doesn't cover for other players when they make runs. He hasn't spent his whole career making crosses or passes across a box so he's not as good as someone who has done that. It kind of worked last season because he wasn't really a winger, we were playing with a lop sided forwards line and him and Archer were the 2 strikers and Giles was pushed forwards into left wing. We don't have Giles this season and nobody is doing that on the left so Forss is playing more like an orthodox winger which doesn't suit him.

I'm not saying some players can't play other positions. Some attributes mean players can be adaptable and are better utilised elsewhere. Akpom could play the 10 because every striker will have played in a 2 at some point and playing as a second striker isn't that far removed from what he is used to. He also had the ability to carry the ball and to play passes which meant he could receive the ball deeper than a striker usually would and start plays off. He wasn't really doing anything different to a striker role though other than doing it in a deeper part of the pitch.

When we are struggling so much to score goals and we're playing a striker out wide because he is good at making runs and scoring goals then it makes no sense that we don't play him up front where he is comfortable and will get more chances and most likely score some goals. We also have other players who are better wingers than him who aren't in the team because he is.

I would say that Crooks being good at scoring goals but him not being a striker is another good example. There is a huge difference between being a striker and being able to score goals and it does worry me a bit that the manager thinks there isn't because every time I've seen Crooks up front it is very obvious that he is not suited to the role.
 
dooderooni said:
It's all down to a test of Gibson and his resolve, especially if things don't improve points wise.
Does he persist with Carrick regardless or is the fear of relegation going to make him pull the trigger?
Recent history would suggest the latter, wether you think that is justified or not.
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Gibson won't fire him, I don't think.
 
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