Stop with the Carrick out threads

I definitely said I wasn't a fan of Forss on the wing. It can work at times and then you extrapolate and say it will always work but when you really analyse it there is a difference. Forss is a striker and sometimes wingers make runs like a striker so when we had the opportunity to play Forss in behind and he ran through and scored it looks like Forss being a winger was why it worked. When you take a step back you realise that the game is bigger than that one moment. All the things you want a winger to do Forss doesn't do. He makes runs like a striker, not a winger which means he runs into the position a striker would and it gets in the way of other players making their runs or he takes defenders with him and the available space for others reduces. He's always been a striker so he defends like a striker and not a midfielder which means he probably chases players instead of defending spaces and he doesn't cover for other players when they make runs. He hasn't spent his whole career making crosses or passes across a box so he's not as good as someone who has done that. It kind of worked last season because he wasn't really a winger, we were playing with a lop sided forwards line and him and Archer were the 2 strikers and Giles was pushed forwards into left wing. We don't have Giles this season and nobody is doing that on the left so Forss is playing more like an orthodox winger which doesn't suit him.

I'm not saying some players can't play other positions. Some attributes mean players can be adaptable and are better utilised elsewhere. Akpom could play the 10 because every striker will have played in a 2 at some point and playing as a second striker isn't that far removed from what he is used to. He also had the ability to carry the ball and to play passes which meant he could receive the ball deeper than a striker usually would and start plays off. He wasn't really doing anything different to a striker role though other than doing it in a deeper part of the pitch.

When we are struggling so much to score goals and we're playing a striker out wide because he is good at making runs and scoring goals then it makes no sense that we don't play him up front where he is comfortable and will get more chances and most likely score some goals. We also have other players who are better wingers than him who aren't in the team because he is.

I would say that Crooks being good at scoring goals but him not being a striker is another good example. There is a huge difference between being a striker and being able to score goals and it does worry me a bit that the manager thinks there isn't because every time I've seen Crooks up front it is very obvious that he is not suited to the role.
Well your first point is possibly why Forss has been in and out. I think Saturday was the first time we had someone play the Giles role this season with O'Brien tucking in and Forss was back on the right.

I agree some players are more adapatable than others which is why I don't agree with the blanket 'play players in their natural position' argument. It only seems to be rolled out when we are losing and when everything is going well it rarely gets mentioned.
 
As we all imagined, atm loosing Chuba is proving very difficult to address. He was like two players in one last season, receiving the ball in mf and then starting attacks and finishing them off. Lath needs to get some composure into his finishing to give us a chance and obviously tighten things up in defence and midfield. We need results fast as it will only get more difficult if we carry on losing. That would make it very difficult for him to stay. I don't buy all this stick with him even if we are relegated stuff. The squad is better than relegation material.
 
I don't think we can second guess Gibson's decisions lately.
Given our alleged financial position I think a continued spell in the relegation spots would be the deciding factor.
I don't know what our financial position is to be honest. He sacked Wilder last season for very different reasons than a bad run of form.

I suspect, given Carrick is fairly relaxed, it suggests he knows where he stands.
 
ok - but 'a role he is capable of playing' is pretty subjective. whether we agree with it or not Carrick clearly thought that was the case with O'Brien on Saturday.
O’Brien is a ball winning machine, he’s exactly what we need in the middle of the pitch where we’re constantly overran and the likes of Howson/Hackney stand off the opposition.

Instead we’re playing him in an attacking role, while the middle two drop another disaster-class and attackers who could play that role are sat on the bench.
 
O’Brien is a ball winning machine, he’s exactly what we need in the middle of the pitch where we’re constantly overran and the likes of Howson/Hackney stand off the opposition.

Instead we’re playing him in an attacking role, while the middle two drop another disaster-class and attackers who could play that role are sat on the bench.

again ok - but neither you or I have spent the last 2 weeks working with them. he obviously saw something.
 
Was the messiah a few months ago. Awful form can’t deny that can’t deny we’re struggling. And can’t deny he’s making mistakes but at the end of the day what do we really expect he’s had 60 league goals ripped away from him? And too replace that he’s been given a kid from Blackpool who didn’t perform… relegated Blackpool that is. Tapping into the Australian a league and signing players won’t get you up. We spent 5 million on a striker who looks like a slow ashley fletcher people slagged off silvera rightly so but what do people see in latth needs dropping imo can’t finish for toffee, we have some good championship players Hackney forss Mcgree and lenihan are all good assets in this league Jones maybe on his day aswell. The rest with all due respect are below average, that’s the harsh reality it’s a bottom half side who are only slightly punching below there weight. It’s an insult to our fans what Kieron Scott and Steve Gibson have signed this summer and an insult to our manager who has been given poor footballers to work with.
 
It was okay to call for wilders head but it’s not okay by those posters to call for carricks
People can call for managers heads if they so wish it’s all about opinions, I want Carrick to stay but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question the manager during a poor period of form.

Sacking Carrick would be a big mistake IMO I really believe we will turn this around.
 
People can call for managers heads if they so wish it’s all about opinions, I want Carrick to stay but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question the manager during a poor period of form.

Sacking Carrick would be a big mistake IMO I really believe we will turn this around.
Oh that’s allowed but we’re not allowed to call Barlaser not good enough.
 
Oh that’s allowed but we’re not allowed to call Barlaser not good enough.
Nobody says you can’t? I just challenged what you were saying with my own opinion, it’s too soon to write him off I still believe that.

Isn’t that what forums are for?
 
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