Stop with the Carrick out threads

He can argue he hasn't received the level of backing he was expecting, we don't have the quality to push for automatic promotion that's obvious. There is absolutley no excuse for where we find ourselves though, he has to shoulder a lot of the blame on that.

I'm not sure if the people claiming he's a good manager (some even say proven good manager) are trying to kid others or themselves. He did very well when he took over, we played some of the best football I have had the pleasure of watching as a fan. But when it come down to 2 games - beat Coventry at home and Luton at Wembley to get promotion he fell at the first hurdle. He failed to get us through the play-offs with the best squad in the play-offs.

I saw some stats on Twitter that I just think are alarming.
- No wins in our last 11 league games
- 2 wins in our last 16 league games
- 2 clean sheets in 20 games
- The last time we scored the opening goal in a games was 13 games ago
- Our last league win was 19th April

If that's any other manager you would all to a man want him sacked.

Blame Gibson, Scott and Bausor all you want, but that's not just not good enough from Michael Carrick.

There are only so many times you can watch the midfield pairing get overran, opposition teams carve through us like a hot knife through butter, the defence stand-off and let the opposition come at us, the defence disorganised, teams scoring the opening goal before you start to realise that Michael Carrick as nice as he is, is a big part of the problem.

If we haven't won before the next international break he's got to go for me, whatever you think about the recruitment we shouldn't be bottom and playing so badly. That part is very much on him.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
This talk of him not being backed, it doesn’t sit right with me TBH. The club signed 12 new players. Carrick will have known when he took the job that there is a recruitment department, of which he is a part, that decides transfer policy as a collective. He is the Head Coach and his job is to coach the players.

These players people wanted us to sign; Archer went to a Premier League club for £18m, Ramsey went to a Premier League club, Giles went to a Premier League club, Akpom joined one of the biggest clubs on the Continent and will play Champions League football.

Boro just cannot compete with those things. The club appear to want to bring in young players to develop. If Carrick is unhappy with this way of working then he should resign. I think we just need to accept that the days of big money signings are finished for the foreseeable future.
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Yes. And people seem to forget that Ramsey and Archer joined us 3 months after Carrick, they weren't part of his original 'package' that he'd started to fire up the league.

The squad he took over in October with is only really better than the squad now because of Chuba/Giles. Chuba scored 4 goals before Carrick came in, not loads, and he'd been injured.
 
"........but that's not just not good enough from Michael Carrick."

"...If we haven't won before the next international break he's got to go..."


Who next then?
What do you expect them to do differently with the same squad of players?
How?
:unsure:
 
r00fie1 said:
"........but that's not just not good enough from Michael Carrick."

"...If we haven't won before the next international break he's got to go..."


Who next then?
What do you expect them to do differently with the same squad of players?
How?
:unsure:
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In fairness Carrick himself managed to get a 'rubbish' group of players performing very well last November/December.
 
r00fie1 said:
"........but that's not just not good enough from Michael Carrick."

"...If we haven't won before the next international break he's got to go..."


Who next then?
What do you expect them to do differently with the same squad of players?
How?
:unsure:
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What do I expect them to do?

Play players in their actual positions.
Not force a group of players into a system, adapt the system to the players you have.
Organise the defence.
Win the occasional football match.

I don't think any of that is overly demanding.
 
12 players have indeed been recruited, for part of the Akpom sale value - paltry as it was -
One would imagine they were recruited to play the system under Carrick that has been unwavering and delivered the best football I have seen from us for over 15 years?
Super Kieran Scott, his cast of wizards and Amazon strength databases surely must have been able to provide players to play Carrick's system???????????

Yes, it is too early to write all of them off, of course it is; but my goodness there are no promising signs six league matches in.
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Edited first line as I don’t think you are allowed to mention a certain someone any longer as yet 2 more threads have been pulled today. I think I mentioned it once, but got away with it.
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I have just noticed that the Gibson thread has also now been pulled. What was the other one Col?
Pyongyang clearly twitchy.
I do find it sad when it is deemed Carrick can be hung out to dry and the players are criticised that the Great Leader is immune.
 
I don't think sacking Carrick achieves anything worthwhile, longterm. Also, we have only just started the season, it would be a ridiculous decision.

However, you need to ask youselves if Carrick is getting the best out of the players he has? I don't think anyone believes he is. The squad isn't a million miles away from the squad Carrick took over. It certainly isn't relegation fodder.

I believe that Carrick thinks Latte Lathe will come good, and I tend to agree. That is why he is sticking with him. He also thinks Rogers will be better than McGree. Jury is out on that one at the moment, but let's not forget that Rogers is a young lad, in relative terms. The new players need time to bed in and adapt to the way Carrick wants them to play. Should they be doing tha from the bench or as starters? I don't know.

Where Carrick is failing is in organising the side when out of possession. I hope he isn't expecting to outscore the opposition all season. You don't win anything with that approach.

The hand wringing that is happening on here, will not be going on at the boardroom level, I am quite sure of that.
 
What is worrying me is the team don't seem to be learning from their mistakes. The same poor decisions keep happening, we concede the same type of goal every game, nothing seems to be changing.

What is being done about this in training? Is he even attempting to change any of this or are we just hoping if we stick at it, things will somehow improve?

I know he is still very inexperienced as a manager so I don't expect him to know all the answers just yet but I've not seen anything so far to suggest we are even looking at fixing the issues.

When we have spells of playing well, it looks great, but that tends to be when we're already 1 or 2 nil down and the damage is done.
 
Gibson won't sack Carrick while he's taking the bulk of the criticism. Only when Gibson starts to feel the heat will he pull the trigger.
 
InglebyUTB said:
What do I expect them to do?

Play players in their actual positions.
Not force a group of players into a system, adapt the system to the players you have.
Organise the defence.
Win the occasional football match.

I don't think any of that is overly demanding.
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The important omission there, which puts my questions into context is: "who next then ?".

Who next then?

What do you expect them to do differently with the same squad of players?
How?

If he goes.
Who do you think could be next[?] and what do you think they would do differently with the same squad of players?
 
indeedido said:
12 players have indeed been recruited, for part of the Akpom sale value - paltry as it was -
One would imagine they were recruited to play the system under Carrick that has been unwavering and delivered the best football I have seen from us for over 15 years?
Super Kieran Scott, his cast of wizards and Amazon strength databases surely must have been able to provide players to play Carrick's system???????????

Yes, it is too early to write all of them off, of course it is; but my goodness there are no promising signs six league matches in.

I have just noticed that the Gibson thread has also now been pulled. What was the other one Col?
Pyongyang clearly twitchy.
I do find it sad when it is deemed Carrick can be hung out to dry and the players are criticised that the Great Leader is immune.
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The 2 threads pulled had the same person in the thread title. Now I don’t know if anyone has overstepped the mark and posted something that crossed a line, I assume that must have been the case, otherwise why pull them, unless someone at the club has made a ‘polite’ request that is. I guess we’ll never know.
 
r00fie1 said:
The important omission there, which puts my questions into context is: "who next then ?".

Who next then?

What do you expect them to do differently with the same squad of players?
How?

If he goes.
Who do you think could be next[?] and what do you think they would do differently with the same squad of players?
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There’s a reason this is a convoluted question.

Are we fantasy booking here?

Is it who I think would do a great job, even though we’re unlikely to actually go in for them?

Is it who I think is realistically in the parameters of who Steve Gibson would appoint? (He never goes for managers who are employed).

Or is it who I think Steve Gibson will employ?
 
InglebyUTB said:
There’s a reason this is a convoluted question.

Are we fantasy booking here?

Is it who I think would do a great job, even though we’re unlikely to actually go in for them?

Is it who I think is realistically in the parameters of who Steve Gibson would appoint? (He never goes for managers who are employed).

Or is it who I think Steve Gibson will employ?
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You claimed that what fans were getting from Michael Carrick wasnt good enough and that
"...If we haven't won before the next international break he's got to go..."

So: if he goes who do you suppose would come in and do a better job - given the same set of players?
No good making conditions if you`ve nothing to offer?

I will wait and see and hope he is allowed to persist and not impose arbitrary deadlines.
I`m certain we want whats best for the club, but patience is a virtue and we need a lot of it right now.

I`l leave it there.(y)
 
r00fie1 said:
You claimed that what fans were getting from Michael Carrick wasnt good enough and that
"...If we haven't won before the next international break he's got to go..."

So: if he goes who do you suppose would come in and do a better job - given the same set of players?
No good making conditions if you`ve nothing to offer?

I will wait and see and hope he is allowed to persist and not impose arbitrary deadlines.
I`m certain we want whats best for the club, but patience is a virtue and we need a lot of it right now.

I`l leave it there.(y)
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So you think bottom of the league with no wins since April is good enough?

No you tell me what the parameters are and I will answer your question, until you do it’s like asking me how long is a piece of string.
 
Diego said:
Carrick In
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For how long? if we are still winless after 10 games do we stick with him? What about 15? 20? Do we give him the full season and potentially get relegated?

Im not arguing for him to be sacked but this is not a squad that should be relegated, even with some of the dross we have bought

Brentford model, transitional season, developing season, fine margins blah blah blah - i'm personally fine with us finishing lower mid table if the squad looks like its getting better and we are playing decent football.

But we're not. We are bottom after 6 games and in none of them can anyone argue we should have won. The play has been dreadful, the defence looks like they just met and we cant buy a goal. Some of this is on carrick

So how long do we give him?
 
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