hopesoboro
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Little children, why don't you play outside?Although it’s not their fault, Actually they should take some of the blame, because they talked down to brexiteers and that entrenched people in their views even more
Little children, why don't you play outside?Although it’s not their fault, Actually they should take some of the blame, because they talked down to brexiteers and that entrenched people in their views even more
You haven't answered my question? Is that how you make your other decisions?
Nope - Law 3 doesn’t cover that. It is your opinion that a vote for leave is stupid. It states receiving no gain, in 20 years time if I incur losses short term but 20 years later I have gained more then I lost then I’m not the stupid one. There is no evidence you can state that can disprove that unless you invent a time machine.
It would depend on the decision. If I wasn’t happy with something and had the chance to change it and I was faced with the situation described above I would take that chance yes. If I was happy with the situation I wouldn’t
Spot on. As a Remainer the Brexit ship has sailed and sadly won't be back in my lifetime. But be of no doubt whatever the outcome the Tories and Vote Leave now totally own this. Even the delay in our departure was caused by hard Brexiteers voting against May's deal.Nope, not taking ANY of the blame for this clusterfukk.
Any hope of a "soft Brexit" was thrown out of the pram when Theresa May committed to a set of red lines that excluded any possibility of (for example) leaving the EU but staying in the Single Market, the Customs Union and with a measure of freedom of movement a bit like Norway. At that point and ever since the rhetoric was "you lost, get over it" my view now is "you won, get on with it".
There is a devil on my shoulder wishing for this to be absolutely catastrophic, but I cannot wish harm on my country. So, if we do enter the "sunlit uplands" after concluding the "easiest of deals" because we "held all the cards" I am prepared to congratulate the visionary ethos of the farsighted Brexiteers. But that triumph will be nothing to do with me and neither will the (far more likely) disastrous failure.
Don't forget Cooper that you've previously told us that your reason for voting for Brexit was that it might get rid of Cameron. That's pretty stupid to me in that you were casting a vote on a much more serious issue than that of who temporarily governs the country. Not even considering that you were likely to get a more right wing leader. When people call you stupid your response is then to double down and slavishly support the party that you were willing to throw away your kid's rights as an EU citizen to try and get rid of in the first place. If that's not stupid I don't know what is.Nope - Law 3 doesn’t cover that. It is your opinion that a vote for leave is stupid. It states receiving no gain, in 20 years time if I incur losses short term but 20 years later I have gained more then I lost then I’m not the stupid one. There is no evidence you can state that can disprove that unless you invent a time machine.
I would class stupid as bleating on about something that happened 4 years ago, something that is happening whether you like it or not and spending everyday trawling the internet to find videos, reports to post on a message board which still has zero influence on the approaching decision you believe is so wrong.
Stupid should realise that berating other people with a different view as stupid only leads to a negative outcome for their view or cause. See Brexit 2016 and General Election 2019 as examples
Spot on. As a Remainer the Brexit ship has sailed and sadly won't be back in my lifetime. But be of no doubt whatever the outcome the Tories and Vote Leave now totally own this. Even the delay in our departure was caused by hard Brexiteers voting against May's deal.
However calling those who voted for Brexit stupid is a road to nowhere. The only way is to step back and allow people to come to their own realisations as matters unfold. Quietly watching my Mrs come to the realisation that Boris is a bumbling, waffling prat, to the point that she had to switch off if he was giving the corona briefing, was an absolute delight.
Don't forget Cooper that you've previously told us that your reason for voting for Brexit was that it might get rid of Cameron. That's pretty stupid to me in that you were casting a vote on a much more serious issue than that of who temporarily governs the country. Not even considering that you were likely to get a more right wing leader. When people call you stupid your response is then to double down and slavishly support the party that you were willing to throw away your kid's rights as an EU citizen to try and get rid of in the first place. If that's not stupid I don't know what is.
Your correct I did... and in the terms that I thought it would lead to downfall of that leadership by voting leave my basis was actually correct as it did. I didn’t particularly care which side won if I’m honest. I thought the remain campaign was pretty poor though and it came across quite condescending to the average voter. All they had to do was run a relatively half decent campaign to win but were that inept they couldn’t do it. I think joe bad the remain campaign was gets lost amongst the blame game.
As stated before it’s what happened after the vote that has entrenched my view to leave, simple terms the I know better than you, your thick, racist, duped attitude that some just don’t understand. Based on that I would have never supported a 2nd referendum. You don’t win people round by insulting them. Basic stuff.
If my daughter or I want to go to Europe I’m happy to queue for a little while at passport control or fill in a form online. It’s not the end of the world. Been to the states enough to realise it’s no big issue.
Try and move to the states full time or take a job there and then tell me it's no big issue. Some of us like to do a bit more than just visit somewhere for a holiday.Your correct I did... and in the terms that I thought it would lead to downfall of that leadership by voting leave my basis was actually correct as it did. I didn’t particularly care which side won if I’m honest. I thought the remain campaign was pretty poor though and it came across quite condescending to the average voter. All they had to do was run a relatively half decent campaign to win but were that inept they couldn’t do it. I think joe bad the remain campaign was gets lost amongst the blame game.
As stated before it’s what happened after the vote that has entrenched my view to leave, simple terms the I know better than you, your thick, racist, duped attitude that some just don’t understand. Based on that I would have never supported a 2nd referendum. You don’t win people round by insulting them. Basic stuff.
If my daughter or I want to go to Europe I’m happy to queue for a little while at passport control or fill in a form online. It’s not the end of the world. Been to the states enough to realise it’s no big issue.
Ridiculous comment, what next, scientists to blame for Flat earthers? Doctors to be partly to blame for anti-vaxxers for talking sense?Although it’s not their fault, Actually they should take some of the blame, because they talked down to brexiteers and that entrenched people in their views even more
in the terms that I thought it would lead to downfall of that leadership by voting leave my basis was actually correct as it did. I didn’t particularly care which side won if I’m honest.
One of the key things we remainers stated, repeatedly, was that "you can't define what brexit is" and there is a serious danger that what you will get, is not what you think you will get or what you have been sold. You statement is just evidence that we were right to raise these concerns.....shame brexiteers ignored them in favour of Nigel Farage rhetoric and Michael Gove soundbites.There were actually viable options such a closer relationship to the eu which could have been good for the U.K.
You've absolutely had his pants down on this thread.....carry onThank you for reminding me so eloquently of Law 4.
You've absolutely had his pants down on this thread.....carry on
Wait, you didn't particularly care who won but you voted leave in the hope that it would signal the end for one temporary leader? What were you on?
True, but as a general trend, better educated people (i.e. those more likely to understand risks, and research properly) voted more for remain. You can even search and find the publicly available voting by constituency and then find the publicly available degree education by constituency......put the 2 data sets together and spot the correlation, it's enlightening!There is more stupid people who voted for brexit than stupid people who voted remain. There’s plenty of stupid people in both sides
I guess that's the exact definition of a stupid person, a person that makes a major strategic decision based not on logic or knowledge, but to spite people better educated than them.I’ve seen it first hand people voting brexit in spite of remainers because the way they were talked too