hopesoboro
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Little children, why don't you play outside?
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Cooper671
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It would depend on the decision. If I wasn’t happy with something and had the chance to change it and I was faced with the situation described above I would take that chance yes. If I was happy with the situation I wouldn’t
ForssAwakens
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There is more stupid people who voted for brexit than stupid people who voted remain. There’s plenty of stupid people in both sides
It’s funny how many people take it quite personal as well.
I’ve seen it first hand people voting brexit in spite of remainers because the way they were talked too
Like festa said if the left had tried to win the argument better I believe it could have had the 2% swing needed. I guess we’ll never know though
It wasn’t the root cause to the defeat. It was the illegal campaign And to targeting mechanisms brexit has in place
It’s funny how many people take it quite personal as well.
I’ve seen it first hand people voting brexit in spite of remainers because the way they were talked too
Like festa said if the left had tried to win the argument better I believe it could have had the 2% swing needed. I guess we’ll never know though
It wasn’t the root cause to the defeat. It was the illegal campaign And to targeting mechanisms brexit has in place
Imagine this scenario:
Guy stood on a cliff thinking about jumping, 100 meters down there's a big pot of gold
90 physicists and doctors are saying don't jump
10 randomers are saying go for it
My opinion is that the guy jumping is an idiot, and I would say he would be better off listening to the physicists who can work out his trajectory and speed, and the doctors that have to try put him back together again like humpty dumpty.
You seem to think that because we don't know for certain that he's going to die, then your opinion is equally valid. It isn't. Equally you probably think that for the one guy in 100 that does survive, he made the right decision. He didn't he just got extremely lucky, and was dicing with death, and is probably also now disabled.
Just because something isn't known for certain does not meant the chance of success is 50% or even 10%.
How long do we have to wait until we can officially say brexit was a $hit idea? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, 1000 years? Every time it's mentioned the duration gets longer.
If we lose out on 2% growth per year for 20 years then even if we get 40% back in 2040, it's still been a $hit idea
£1 at 2% a year is worth about £1.50 after 20 years
£1 at 0% a year then 40% at year 20 is £1.40 after 20 years
The biggest hit though is the opportunity cost. Companies not having the growth/ same funds increase as their competitors will become further and further behind each year, so each year it becomes harder and harder to catch back up.
It's like a cyclist getting dropped by the peloton when he's knackered, when this happens his chances of recovery are extremely limited.
It's hard to get back as a lone rider, with higher wind resistance and nobody to share with, even more so compared to a pack working together that will benefit if they completely take you out of the equation.
The lone rider has more to lose, the pack won't even notice he's gone.
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Lefty
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I'm sorry? Let's just recap here.
'Your position is this:
We cannot know the future as we do not have a time machine, therefore we cannot predict the future.
Since we cannot predict the future, all forecasting is pointless.
If an event has two possible outcomes the probability of each outcome must be equal.
If the outcome of making a decision is equally likely to be good or bad, there is no point bothering with any detailed analysis, or listening to people who have specialised/are experienced in a particular field.
We should therefore always make our decisions without reasoning, but on gut feeling or the flip of a coin.'
Now, you are saying that sometimes this is in fact how you approach decisions, but sometimes you do not?
When is it appropriate to make a decision not based on some sort of probability forecast on the outcome being good or bad, which in itself is based on sound research and knowledge?
chickenrunner
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Spot on. As a Remainer the Brexit ship has sailed and sadly won't be back in my lifetime. But be of no doubt whatever the outcome the Tories and Vote Leave now totally own this. Even the delay in our departure was caused by hard Brexiteers voting against May's deal.
However calling those who voted for Brexit stupid is a road to nowhere. The only way is to step back and allow people to come to their own realisations as matters unfold. Quietly watching my Mrs come to the realisation that Boris is a bumbling, waffling prat, to the point that she had to switch off if he was giving the corona briefing, was an absolute delight.
Paterson
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Don't forget Cooper that you've previously told us that your reason for voting for Brexit was that it might get rid of Cameron. That's pretty stupid to me in that you were casting a vote on a much more serious issue than that of who temporarily governs the country. Not even considering that you were likely to get a more right wing leader. When people call you stupid your response is then to double down and slavishly support the party that you were willing to throw away your kid's rights as an EU citizen to try and get rid of in the first place. If that's not stupid I don't know what is.
Lefty
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Spot on. As a Remainer the Brexit ship has sailed and sadly won't be back in my lifetime. But be of no doubt whatever the outcome the Tories and Vote Leave now totally own this. Even the delay in our departure was caused by hard Brexiteers voting against May's deal.
However calling those who voted for Brexit stupid is a road to nowhere. The only way is to step back and allow people to come to their own realisations as matters unfold. Quietly watching my Mrs come to the realisation that Boris is a bumbling, waffling prat, to the point that she had to switch off if he was giving the corona briefing, was an absolute delight.
'However calling those who voted for Brexit stupid is a road to nowhere'
There are times I have thought that, but actually, no, I think it is THE most important thing in the world now. Not because I want to just insult people or put their backs up, but because Leave voters and indeed Remain voters, Conservatives and Liberals have to appreciate that we are stupid, so it is imperative that we get the thought process right. We can't do that without appreciating that we have been stupid first of all, because only then can we hope to understand how and why, so we reduce these mistakes in future.
Lefty
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Indeed. It is one thing to have a good reason for making a decision, but the smart thing to do is to ensure that there are no other consequences that likely outweigh the proposed solution.
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Cooper671
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Your correct I did... and in the terms that I thought it would lead to downfall of that leadership by voting leave my basis was actually correct as it did. I didn’t particularly care which side won if I’m honest. I thought the remain campaign was pretty poor though and it came across quite condescending to the average voter. All they had to do was run a relatively half decent campaign to win but were that inept they couldn’t do it. I think joe bad the remain campaign was gets lost amongst the blame game.
As stated before it’s what happened after the vote that has entrenched my view to leave, simple terms the I know better than you, your thick, racist, duped attitude that some just don’t understand. Based on that I would have never supported a 2nd referendum. You don’t win people round by insulting them. Basic stuff.
If my daughter or I want to go to Europe I’m happy to queue for a little while at passport control or fill in a form online. It’s not the end of the world. Been to the states enough to realise it’s no big issue.
As stated before it’s what happened after the vote that has entrenched my view to leave, simple terms the I know better than you, your thick, racist, duped attitude that some just don’t understand. Based on that I would have never supported a 2nd referendum. You don’t win people round by insulting them. Basic stuff.
If my daughter or I want to go to Europe I’m happy to queue for a little while at passport control or fill in a form online. It’s not the end of the world. Been to the states enough to realise it’s no big issue.
Lefty
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Paterson
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Try and move to the states full time or take a job there and then tell me it's no big issue. Some of us like to do a bit more than just visit somewhere for a holiday.
BoroMart
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Ridiculous comment, what next, scientists to blame for Flat earthers? Doctors to be partly to blame for anti-vaxxers for talking sense?
I'm not to blame for other peoples stupidity, regardless if I explained their stupidity nicely or nastily.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Wait, you didn't particularly care who won but you voted leave in the hope that it would signal the end for one temporary leader? What were you on?
BoroMart
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One of the key things we remainers stated, repeatedly, was that "you can't define what brexit is" and there is a serious danger that what you will get, is not what you think you will get or what you have been sold. You statement is just evidence that we were right to raise these concerns.....shame brexiteers ignored them in favour of Nigel Farage rhetoric and Michael Gove soundbites.
BoroMart
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You've absolutely had his pants down on this thread.....carry onThank you for reminding me so eloquently of Law 4.
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Cooper671
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“Had his pants down”
Law 4 alert for me. I can see why no one listened to you on the Brexit front A lot of things probably, I flew to Prague the next day for a stag weekend. It had started earlier though.
BoroMart
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True, but as a general trend, better educated people (i.e. those more likely to understand risks, and research properly) voted more for remain. You can even search and find the publicly available voting by constituency and then find the publicly available degree education by constituency......put the 2 data sets together and spot the correlation, it's enlightening!
I guess that's the exact definition of a stupid person, a person that makes a major strategic decision based not on logic or knowledge, but to spite people better educated than them.