Project Reality

For the most part, I like the way this thread is being conducted. My own mischief to Coops early on excluded.

Maybe it won't be long before we begin to understand and learn from our mistakes.
 
boromike85 said:
They just won because their campaign was far better.
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I think it has been proven that "anti-austerity" was a powerful motivator for some Leave voters and perfectly understandable. It doesn't make it non-stupid though. It makes it the voting equivalent of handing your bank account details to that Nigerian Prince trying to move his wealth offshore. So I would dispute the word "better" it was a vote for Unicorns and bulging bank accounts for everyone, an NHS fully funded, properly shaped bananas, the Union flag wrapped around beautiful blonde haired children...

At some point there will be trouble about this. And I don't mean some seriously worded letters in the papers I mean cities in flame trouble.
 
BoroMart said:
"If you had actually done all that terrific research you would have seen perfectly that education level correlates with age, as does the Leave vote." <-- Boromike

Ah, but it doesn't "perfectly correlate", degrees have become more and more expensive and thus relative numbers to population have fallen from 30 years ago. I would argue that intelligence and education levels have vastly improved, over the last 50 years.

It is a sign of someone that doesn't like to hear opinions that differ from their own. I distinctly remember making you look stupid on occasion
You see this attitude is the exact reason I blocked this idiot, and he has the gall to call anyone smug, self-appointed and hypocritical. The lack of self awareness in that bloke is beyond parody or reproach.

I have many qualifications, thanks. I should pay more tax being in the upper earning bracket, but ONLY to improve services for the many, not to subsidise the uber-rich and tax avoiding businesses, but cheers for proving your lack of analytical skills again. Also great to to see how your ego is bruised by being blocked though.
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Haha. Delusional. Despite you blocking me you still can't resist reading what I write and defending your idiocy.

Where do you get your statistics? 50% of young people now go to University vs 25% in 1990 and 15% in 1980. The current fees are higher than they have ever been and university attendance has never been higher? How can anyone trust anything you say when this is the level of research you can come up with?

Yes, you should pay more tax because you earn more but we are talking about the % you pay. You think it is morally justifiable to arrange your accounts in a way that minimises the amount of tax you pay and yet you decry companies and rich individuals for doing the same thing. Hypocrite.
 
Not sure it was down to education, for such a large and diverse amount of people voting. I think the majority and not a huge one, first reasoned and secondly voted for the best promise, that and all the majestic patroitic bumph which made them believe they were part of a new return to a special British clan for the British only.
Promises are not a guarantee of anything.

I had mates talking of WW2 the British Empire the union, the corrupt Germans and French and at some stages Napoleon. It all became a bit crazy as if we had special powers that were neutered by joining the EU

I never knew they had been harbouring all those thoughts and never mentioned it until then.
 
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ticker_tape said:
Not sure it was down to education, for such a large and diverse amount of people voting.
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It wasn't solely down to it but it was a clear factor. There is no sole reason why millions voted for something so blatantly stupid. When trying to understand the complexities of the question that we were being asked to answer, you needed an understanding of many concepts such as international trade, customs, law, market forces etc. The less intelligent aren't going to invest time to read and study such things. Pretty much ANY person has the capacity to understand such things, but, and here's the kicker, the less intelligent are too mentally lazy to bother. If you don't understand the concepts then emotion becomes the key driver. Patriotism and xenophobia are related concepts that are triggered by the emotional side of the brain while rejecting the intellectual side.

ticker_tape said:
I had mates talking of WW2 the British Empire the union, the corrupt Germans and French and at some stages Napoleon. It all became a bit crazy as if we had special powers that were neutered by joing the EU.
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That is the perfect example of how some people used emotion in the absence of intellect to make a decision.
 
Question for BoroMike and BoroMart

The bigger the sample size, the more significant and reliable a result, would you agree?
 
Lefty said:
Question for BoroMike and BoroMart

The bigger the sample size, the more significant and reliable a result, would you agree?
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Yes. But the more variables you add the less likely you are of finding the right result and so looking at one individual variable doesn't necessarily indicate causation. Correlation is not the same as causation as demonstrated by this spurious correlation site: http://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Brexit voting correlates with education level but age is the primary cause.
 
yes. As long as other factors, such as proportional representation across demographic groups is fairly represented (as in my stats which is erm, everyone in the country).

I have no idea what mike has put, nor interest
 
Lefty said:
Have you put him on the block thing?
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I did that within about 2 weeks of moving onto this board, he is the only person I've blocked. I want other peoples opinions, just put forward with more honesty and more respectfully than he seems capable of.
 
Seriously though, all you lot are doing is repeating what was posted last year & the year before & the year before, Yea but, no but

Nobody is going to agree with the other, it's just back & forth, back & forth

Lefty comes across with some very good educational points, as does AM, which TBH, I don't even understand so couldn't even have a debate with, but the majority are just repetitive stuff, that was brought up last March, December, July, February

Anyway sorry about jumping in just thought I would add my input
 
BoroMart said:
I did that within about 2 weeks of moving onto this board, he is the only person I've blocked. I want other peoples opinions, just put forward with more honesty and more respectfully than he seems capable of.
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You're going to miss out potentially.
 
Erimus74 said:
Seriously though, all you lot are doing is repeating what was posted last year & the year before & the year before, Yea but, no but

Nobody is going to agree with the other, it's just back & forth, back & forth

Lefty comes across with some very good educational points, as does AM, which TBH, I don't even understand so couldn't even have a debate with, but the majority are just repetitive stuff, that was brought up last March, December, July, February

Anyway sorry about jumping in just thought I would add my input
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Hopefully we are edging along to some more educational stuff in the next few weeks. So stay interested and please join in on future threads.
 
Lefty said:
Hopefully we are edging along to some more educational stuff in the next few weeks. So stay interested and please join in on future threads.
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Lefty, I'm always happy to listen & learn but when the petty Tory name calling starts then for me they've lost it & I've lost interest
 
boromike85 said:
Despite Leave now being seen as a Tory thing it was Remain that acted like Tories.
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At the time there was a lot of outrage that both Leave and Remain official campaigns were run by the Tories. This was always an internal Tory Squabble that got out of hand.

The reason Leave were able to make a much better campaign argument is that they weren't constrained by anything resembling the truth. Which leads to...

boromike85 said:
After the result there should have been no more discussion on whether or not it was the right thing to do, it was decided by the people and that decision should have been respected.
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Parliament had decided that the referendum was advisory in nature and therefore a supermajority wasn't required. The fact that the result was hijacked as a straight winner-takes-all is why there were MPs determined to fight for what was, in all moral sense, right.

This is also why it will never go away. The deceit (and criminality) aren't going to be forgotten by the people that feel they've had a part of their future (and hard-won rights) taken away.

There is no easy way out of any of this until and unless the Leavers accept it was won dishonestly.
 
BoroMart said:
Using degree educated as a measure of not being stupid, ie you have proven enough intelligence to pass a degree
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Passing a degree doesn't take anything more than average intelligence (except perhaps in some of the more advanced STEM subjects).

Most degrees are about having the ability to jump through hoops and persist with repetitive tasks.

I'd be happy to argue that there's more 'intelligence' required at A-Level to get onto a degree course. Which is why most degrees also let you on if you have a number of years in the workplace.

Basic numeracy and literacy are the only real pre-requisite.
 
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