Pfizer first dose efficacy

WeeGord said:
I’ve seen nothing at all from you criticising the Government, in fact many other have pulled you up for refusing to criticise them.

if 95% is off the mark what do you think would be more accurate?
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On a predominantly left leaning board it is very easy to stand out if you don't pile in on the Government. I refuse to politicise peoples misery and believe that like all Governments they have tried their best. Could things have been done better-of course and many mistakes were made. I am not part of tribal politics not having voted Labour or Tory.
 
Just in case anybody does still think I'm pro tory due to what I've posted regarded vaccinations. I'll put on record now I think schools going back on mass from 08 march is a really poor decision and not based on evidence at all and could potentially undermine the vaccination programme.

The department of education haven't got a clue what they're doing - again this comes from a source working in that department.
 
I'm not sure your stance comes across as Pro Tory.

Regarding the pfizer data that is appearing, I wonder if the government and Sage are or would consider pulling the second vaccination. +90% is actually a very good return from single dose and the discussions are likely to be had. Push on with other groups and return to BOOST should the new emerging science reflect the need.
 
Cambsred said:
I'm not sure your stance comes across as Pro Tory.

Regarding the pfizer data that is appearing, I wonder if the government and Sage are or would consider pulling the second vaccination. +90% is actually a very good return from single dose and the discussions are likely to be had. Push on with other groups and return to BOOST should the new emerging science reflect the need.
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Not a bad shout especially considering the likely need for a booster to deal with various variations in the virus. Give everybody 1 dose and have the second one contain the new formula.
 
Cambsred said:
I'm not sure your stance comes across as Pro Tory.

Regarding the pfizer data that is appearing, I wonder if the government and Sage are or would consider pulling the second vaccination. +90% is actually a very good return from single dose and the discussions are likely to be had. Push on with other groups and return to BOOST should the new emerging science reflect the need.
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The second dose is about continued protection. No use finding we need another two doses for everyone in June.
 
brain_in_a_jar said:
. I don't really like giving the tories any credit at all but I've got to be honest the start of this year they've started to make some better decisions. They completely ballsed it up the majority of last year though for which there current better form doesn't come close to absolving them of.
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Agree 100% with this. Can't be a coincidence that they have changed their approach since Cummings left the scene..
 
The primary reason why the vaccination programme has been so successful is because the government have relied on the current health infrastructure, assisted by the Army in places as well.

Suggesting the government deserves a 'pat on the back' for its success seems misplaced to me; it's the NHS and local authority health that deserves that, they made it happen, not the government.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
The primary reason why the vaccination programme has been so successful is because the government have relied on the current health infrastructure, assisted by the Army in places as well.

Suggesting the government deserves a 'pat on the back' for its success seems misplaced to me; it's the NHS and local authority health that deserves that, they made it happen, not the government.
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To be fair to the Tories, they did pump huge investment into Oxford to help develop a vaccine, encouraged them to pair up with AstraZeneca rather than Merck and worked quickly to secure early deals with various vaccine manufacturers. There's little they've done through this crisis that warrants an applause, the vaccine matter would be one though.
 
MFP said:
To be fair to the Tories, they did pump huge investment into Oxford to help develop a vaccine, encouraged them to pair up with AstraZeneca rather than Merck and worked quickly to secure early deals with various vaccine manufacturers. There's little they've done through this crisis that warrants an applause, the vaccine matter would be one though.
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I agree, I think the work around producing the 'Oxford' vaccine, and the procurement, are both lonely high points for the government's handling of Covid.

I have little confidence in BJ, given the predominantly shambolic decision making by his government, but I also think that there has been enormous pressure on him by his MP's and this has adversely influenced policy.
 
Today's study results from Scotland is that hospital admissions is down by 80 to 85% if you have had the jab, 80% on the over 80yo.

Macron said It doesn't work on the over 65's

If it had been to our Little Tory we still would not be taking it.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
How much did the government pump into the development of the vaccine?
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Well hundreds of millions were given to CEPI alone and likewise figures towards research, trials, development and manufacture at Oxford and Imperial, although I think the latter have now ceased the development and are now concentrating on research into new Covid variants.
 
So in light of today’s news will the EU now apologise ( especially macron for his ridiculous attack on the vaccine).

I was reading that even now many in Germany france and Italy are refusing the Astra Zeneca jab leaving it largely unused in certain areas as they snub it for the one they want.

today’s great news shows that the campaign in the uk.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I was reading that even now many in Germany france and Italy are refusing the Astra Zeneca jab leaving it largely unused in certain areas as they snub it for the one they want.
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That's the real tragedy of these intemperate pronouncements by politicians. They increase vaccine hesitancy and can actually lead to an increase in the overall risk to a population, by reducing the uptake of vaccines.
 
Liamo said:
That's the real tragedy of these intemperate pronouncements by politicians. They increase vaccine hesitancy and can actually lead to an increase in the overall risk to a population, by reducing the uptake of vaccines.
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Hopefully the election in France will deal with Macron accordingly
 
Same_as_before said:
I think it's irrelevant, no one will care. You like me want a Labour government , making any case against the government's vaccine policy would be a disaster.
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I was looking for the actual figure, I've only found limited info on it, trying to compare how much has come from the various public purses and through the companies themselves.

The UK isn't the only contributor to Covid vaccination.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I was looking for the actual figure, I've only found limited info on it, trying to compare how much has come from the various public purses and through the companies themselves.

The UK isn't the only contributor to Covid vaccination.
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I think the government put about £65 million into the Oxford development. I doubt we'll find out how much AZ put in for commercial reasons.
 
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