Pfizer first dose efficacy

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Mwelolo

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One Pfizer/BioNTech jab gives '90% immunity' from Covid after 21 days | Vaccines and immunisation | The Guardian

New analysis runs counter to earlier study which suggested one dose may not give adequate protection
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This is very interesting and reassuring to me as someone who has had the Pfizer first dose.

It would seem to vindicate the government decision to maximise resources by vaccinating as many people as possible, as early as possible. This view is becoming increasingly prevalent around the world.

It has to be said that the whole vaccination situation has been managed extremely well and plans are now being made to export excess doses.

I didn’t vote to leave but imagine still part of Europe , the way this has been managed over there......
 
Mwelolo said:

One Pfizer/BioNTech jab gives '90% immunity' from Covid after 21 days | Vaccines and immunisation | The Guardian

New analysis runs counter to earlier study which suggested one dose may not give adequate protection
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

This is very interesting and reassuring to me as someone who has had the Pfizer first dose.

It would seem to vindicate the government decision to maximise resources by vaccinating as many people as possible, as early as possible. This view is becoming increasingly prevalent around the world.

It has to be said that the whole vaccination situation has been managed extremely well and plans are now being made to export excess doses.

I didn’t vote to leave but imagine still part of Europe , the way this has been managed over there......
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Agreed. Despite the best efforts of some on here to say the contrary our vaccination programme really has been World leading. Well done to the NHS and Government
 
The " Government" did little other than pass the task onto the proper authority, the NHS.
Prior to this the venal bunch of crooks had done everything to pass contracts to their cronies and avoid the NHS.
We can see the light, but don't let that light blind you to Tory graft and incompetence.
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
Well done to the NHS and Government
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Fixed that for you.

The only involvement that the Government can claim credit for is resisting the temptation to give it to Dido Harding to fkkup. And Israel is well ahead of us. AND we placed our orders for vaccines whilst we were still in the EU so we could have done this regardless of whether we were in the EU or not.

OK?
 
I wonder if similar data is being collected in the NHS for the single dose regime. Would be really useful to do that now, to steer future vaccination strategies. If you are hitting 90% with a single dose that is better that the Oxford after 2. May be prudent to take a single dose strategy further.

There are a few interesting comments about the days the researchers chose to use for "reanalysis" of the israel data suggesting if you pick and choose which days post vaccination you are looking for effectiveness it sits between 60 and 90% effectiveness. Still 60% from a single dose isn't bad.
 
Muttley said:
Fixed that for you.

The only involvement that the Government can claim credit for is resisting the temptation to give it to Dido Harding to fkkup. And Israel is well ahead of us. AND we placed our orders for vaccines whilst we were still in the EU so we could have done this regardless of whether we were in the EU or not.

OK?
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I never mentioned the EU. I don't need permission to praise the Government thank you so your edit is pointless. Amazes me that when it goes wrong it is the Government fault but when goes right they can't be credited. How childish and myopic
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
How childish and myopic
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No, I am quite prepared to say when the Government has got things right. It is right that we are locked down at the moment, the furlough scheme is flawed but well intentioned and Johnson's intention to prioritise "data not dates" is correct. The pre ordering of massive quantities of the various vaccines was A GOOD THING.

The roll out is being done by the NHS.
 
Osboro said:
Forgiving long term crooked incompetent fools for eventually doing it right is childish an myopic.
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And they were only fortunate they have dien the right thing. Let's be crystal clear here. The government took a gamble WITH OUR LIVES by only rolling out the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine within manufacturer guidelines. They did this to make the figures (and therefore themselves) appear to look good. Fortunately for us all their gamble has paid off.

As others have said: the volume of vaccination program, the speed and efficency is all down to the NHS.
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
I never mentioned the EU. I don't need permission to praise the Government thank you so your edit is pointless. Amazes me that when it goes wrong it is the Government fault but when goes right they can't be credited. How childish and myopic
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So is ignoring the incompetence of this government in dealing with the virus. There's only two countries in this continent with worse figures, Slovenia and Belgium, and in the case of the latter a different definition was used to count the number of deaths related to Covid.

What our government did was, as a wealthy nation, buy lots of the vaccine up front and that has to be congratulated, after being elected on 'we can't afford it' ticket. The government didn't develop the vaccine, global corporations did that with support from across the world.

I hope you're now seeing that what one of the major points of argument in the run up to being elected was a lie, too often repeated in places like this.
 
Alvez_48 said:
@SmallTown so it's not like only putting 1 shoe on to go out then?
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That was a simplified analogy and necessary at the time. Can you acknowledge the government took a gamble with our lives in order to improve their figures and make them look good? Should we praise them because they got lucky?
 
Muttley said:
Fixed that for you.

The only involvement that the Government can claim credit for is resisting the temptation to give it to Dido Harding to fkkup. And Israel is well ahead of us. AND we placed our orders for vaccines whilst we were still in the EU so we could have done this regardless of whether we were in the EU or not.

OK?
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That was my question. Would being in the EU have prevented us doing this? I assumed not, but good to have it confirmed.

The government do deserve credit for getting ahead of the game on vaccine supply I think. In terms of the roll out they've been competent by giving the responsibility for it to the organisation best suited to deliver. That's the minimum you want from your government really though. You'd hope they'd learn from it, but I doubt it. Not while there's money to be funnelled to friends and family.

The NHS is an advantage we have over most countries. It'd be an even bigger advantage if the Tories hadn't spent the last decade chipping away at it.
 
SmallTown said:
That was a simplified analogy and necessary at the time. Can you acknowledge the government took a gamble with our lives in order to improve their figures and make them look good? Should we praise them because they got lucky?
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Hmm I can acknowledge the government used advice given to them by the JVCI. Was it gamble? Sure, life is meant to be a gamble ST. Your analogy wasn't necessary as I pointed out it was nonsense at the time. This data was already available then.
Just enjoy the good news for a change. I forgave you a long time ago for voting Tory you don't have to beat yourself up over it to the point of screaming rage and Fury at everything they do.
 
Muttley said:
No, I am quite prepared to say when the Government has got things right. It is right that we are locked down at the moment, the furlough scheme is flawed but well intentioned and Johnson's intention to prioritise "data not dates" is correct. The pre ordering of massive quantities of the various vaccines was A GOOD THING.

The roll out is being done by the NHS.
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The thing the government got right was handing over the sourcing of the vaccines to a venture capitalist and not trying to do it themselves. The second thing they got right was giving the distribution task to the NHS.

In other words they got it right by not getting involved, unlike every other aspect of this clusterphük that they should rightly be held accountable for.
 
festa5 said:
That was my question. Would being in the EU have prevented us doing this? I assumed not, but good to have it confirmed.

The government do deserve credit for getting ahead of the game on vaccine supply I think. In terms of the roll out they've been competent by giving the responsibility for it to the organisation best suited to deliver. That's the minimum you want from your government really though. You'd hope they'd learn from it, but I doubt it. Not while there's money to be funnelled to friends and family.

The NHS is an advantage we have over most countries. It'd be an even bigger advantage if the Tories hadn't spent the last decade chipping away at it.
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Being I'm the EU might have meant we had more pressure to not pursue our own vaccine strategy (we were out of the EU last year, just in a transition period). However we were in the unique position when we were in the EU of having our own regulatory authority above the EMA so we could have done exactly as we did. We would just have had to upset the EU but we had the sovereignty to do it.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Hmm I can acknowledge the government used advice given to them by the JVCI. Was it gamble? Sure, life is meant to be a gamble ST. Your analogy wasn't necessary as I pointed out it was nonsense at the time. This data was already available then.
Just enjoy the good news for a change. I forgave you a long time ago for voting Tory you don't have to beat yourself up over it to the point of screaming rage and Fury at everything they do.
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"Life is meant to be a gamble"

Yes it is, for individuals. Do you think a government should gamble with the lives of it's citizens?
 
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