Pfizer first dose efficacy
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Londons_Moggie
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If the government are rightly lambasted for things that go wrong on their watch then it’s only fair they should be commended for things that go right on their watch.
SmallTown
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Wrong. The EU didn't gamble to make themselves look better. They followed the manufacturers instructions.
Laughing
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Mwelolo. not wishing to worry anyone, but that study from Israel only goes out to 4 weeks, not 12.One Pfizer/BioNTech jab gives '90% immunity' from Covid after 21 days | Vaccines and immunisation | The Guardian
New analysis runs counter to earlier study which suggested one dose may not give adequate protectionamp.theguardian.com
This is very interesting and reassuring to me as someone who has had the Pfizer first dose.
It would seem to vindicate the government decision to maximise resources by vaccinating as many people as possible, as early as possible. This view is becoming increasingly prevalent around the world.
It has to be said that the whole vaccination situation has been managed extremely well and plans are now being made to export excess doses.
I didn’t vote to leave but imagine still part of Europe , the way this has been managed over there......
It is gratifying to see that the efficacy is high particularly for clinical patients, I would imagine we are not very worried about asymptomatic cases once the majority are vaccinated. So yes it is very good news.
Because of the time based nature of the study, it doesn't say anything, good or bad, about waiting 3 months for the second dose. Only that the first dose gives superb protection for a month, and one would assume beyond that first month unless it's effects fall off a cliff on day 29. How long after that month, we don't know.
On the subject of the government v NHS. The government have to take some credit for our roll out, they procured the vaccine early and that had nothing to do with the NHS. The cynic in me says they did it because we were sinking and they had no choice. But, whatever the motivation it worked.
Make no mistake, tory ideology made the UK vulnerable during this pandemic, and their friends first approach exacerbated the problem and has continued to do so over the last 12 months. And the cost - 130,000 lives.
I think this Pfizer finding is a bonus for the government. I don't think that the modelling and decisions were based on a 90% effectiveness. I think they modelled it on a much lower one, but for many more people vaccinated with a wider spread of much lower effectiveness. I'm not even sure they were striving for the headline figures in all honesty, although they don't shy away from them of course.
I would love this to be all transparent so we can see what decisions were made and why, it is quite fascinating. The modelling has so many variables, it would be amazing to see which ones you can tweak and what the outcomes look like. One dose, 2 dose, pfizer only, oxford only, prevelance of virus in a given area versus which dose strategy may be most effective.
The simulations would be endless.
I would love this to be all transparent so we can see what decisions were made and why, it is quite fascinating. The modelling has so many variables, it would be amazing to see which ones you can tweak and what the outcomes look like. One dose, 2 dose, pfizer only, oxford only, prevelance of virus in a given area versus which dose strategy may be most effective.
The simulations would be endless.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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I agree with what you're saying to an extent, but surely you can see it from the other side and that sometimes you might need to 'gamble'? I'm sure there will be plenty of occasions where gambles have won wars, saved lives, economies etc.
There is plenty of material to use against the government but I don't think this is it.
Londons_Moggie
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They didn’t though, they took the advice of the scientists. All decisions are a gamble to some extent. It appears they have made an excellent decision. Well done all involved
SmallTown
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Did they though? Which scientists were using untested data to make a life or death decision? It looks like they went the single dose route specifically to get the figures looking better. It’s a common theme with this government
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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And they have been. They bought the drugs.
Londons_Moggie
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You’re hating this aren’t u. Go on I dare u to praise the decision. Everyone knows they’ve made a belter
SmallTown
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You’re actually not reading what I type anymore are you? You’re incredibly naive if you think this government made the 12 week gap decision based on anything other than a desire to make themselves look better.
I’m very glad it has worked. I’m less sanguine about them gambling our lives on something designed to deflect from their own failings.
Londons_Moggie
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No you're not. You wanted it to fail. Be honest
SmallTown
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Why would I want it to fail? That makes no sense. You think I WANT the uk public to be unprotected against Covid? I’m sorry but that’s just nasty and frankly, quite odd to think I would.
Londons_Moggie
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Ok I'm sorry I am wrong
SmallTown
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It’s fine. I’m glad that we have got lucky on the vaccine front. I just don’t think you can praise someone for getting lucky. Especially when the reason they took the decision was to make themselves look good
Chris_Boro
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BJ: No more lockdowns on my watch!
Scientists: But we need to be prepared to react if there is another surge.
BJ: Yes, yes what I meant was we can't rule out anymore lockdowns. Yes.
Tory back benchers: No justification for lockdown with vaccine.
BJ: Absolutely right, no lockdowns!
Scientists: But data suggests...
BJ: Ahhh lockdowns are in!
Tories: Ahem.
BJ: I mean Out!...*pwaff* Expelliarmus!
Scientists: You do know Harry Potter isn't real?
Scientists: But we need to be prepared to react if there is another surge.
BJ: Yes, yes what I meant was we can't rule out anymore lockdowns. Yes.
Tory back benchers: No justification for lockdown with vaccine.
BJ: Absolutely right, no lockdowns!
Scientists: But data suggests...
BJ: Ahhh lockdowns are in!
Tories: Ahem.
BJ: I mean Out!...*pwaff* Expelliarmus!
Scientists: You do know Harry Potter isn't real?
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Cooper671
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God this is a very bitter pill for some to swallow, I know ST would be straight on here with his negative, 1 shoe analogy trying to backtrack with his comments.
As Randy says, only on here can some try turn something which is good news into something else.
Lets put it another way, if the EU had done it our way and we'd done it theirs the same people would be attacking the government and stating how fantastic the EU are and if we had still be in we could have followed their approach (whether true or not)
As Randy says, only on here can some try turn something which is good news into something else.
Lets put it another way, if the EU had done it our way and we'd done it theirs the same people would be attacking the government and stating how fantastic the EU are and if we had still be in we could have followed their approach (whether true or not)
MolteniArcore
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I am a harsh critic of this Government but I think they deserve a BIG pat on the back for how well we have done with vaccinations. We have hit our targets so far and are excelling compared to the majority of the rest of the world.One Pfizer/BioNTech jab gives '90% immunity' from Covid after 21 days | Vaccines and immunisation | The Guardian
New analysis runs counter to earlier study which suggested one dose may not give adequate protection
This is very interesting and reassuring to me as someone who has had the Pfizer first dose.
It would seem to vindicate the government decision to maximise resources by vaccinating as many people as possible, as early as possible. This view is becoming increasingly prevalent around the world.
It has to be said that the whole vaccination situation has been managed extremely well and plans are now being made to export excess doses.
I didn’t vote to leave but imagine still part of Europe , the way this has been managed over there......
But it has nothing to do with us leaving the EU. We ordered, bought and planned for our vaccine rollout whilst subject to all the EU laws the rest of the block were. Don't fall for the usual Brexit propaganda on this one.
And despite at the time of the EU Referendum being a Remainer I can certainly admit that the EU have royally messed up their programme... but any one of the 27 could have done exactly what we had done at any time, it's just their sovereign Government's decided to stick together on this one. I can imagine that despite their poor vaccine rollout I bet most of these EU countries will have better death stats than us come the end of summer...
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That analogy cheers me up every time I think about how bad it is yet he still sticks to it. Got to admire that sense of determination in the face of universal ridicule.