Pfizer first dose efficacy

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

So in light of today’s news will the EU now apologise ( especially macron for his ridiculous attack on the vaccine).

I was reading that even now many in Germany france and Italy are refusing the Astra Zeneca jab leaving it largely unused in certain areas as they snub it for the one they want.

today’s great news shows that the campaign in the uk.

One of our more Covid vociferous posters on here claimed he did the same.

 

[Liamo]

I think the government put about £65 million into the Oxford development. I doubt we'll find out how much AZ put in for commercial reasons.

It was exactly £65.5 million, according to the government's own website:

Funding for UK vaccine programme

In the same week, AstraZeneca made the following announcement:

AstraZeneca today received support of more than $1bn from the US Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) for the development, production and delivery of the vaccine ...

AstraZeneca press release

So I think we should probably be thanking the US government a bit more than the UK government.

 

[Doom_On_Horseback]

It was exactly £65.5 million, according to the government's own website:

Funding for UK vaccine programme

In the same week, AstraZeneca made the following announcement:



AstraZeneca press release

So I think we should probably be thanking the US government a bit more than the UK government.

Yes, which makes it a little odd that they're not yet using it or seem to be in any rush to get it approved.

 

[masquesmog]

Yes, which makes it a little odd that they're not yet using it or seem to be in any rush to get it approved.

The FDA is waiting for AstraZeneca to submit its vaccine paperwork, which may not be ready until the spring​

When will AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine be available in the US?

It's unlikely AstraZeneca's vaccine will be authorized in the US before April. Nearly 30,000 people are volunteering to try it out first.

www.businessinsider.com

The FDA normally requires a full US sample study for any new medication/vaccine approval. The AZ US study is still ongoing.

 

[Doom_On_Horseback]

The FDA is waiting for AstraZeneca to submit its vaccine paperwork, which may not be ready until the spring​

When will AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine be available in the US?

It's unlikely AstraZeneca's vaccine will be authorized in the US before April. Nearly 30,000 people are volunteering to try it out first.

www.businessinsider.com

The FDA normally requires a full US sample study for any new medication/vaccine approval. The AZ US study is still ongoing.

Yes, I read that also, but AZ got approved here around the same time Moderna etc was approved in the US. Why is it so far behind Moderna?

 

[masquesmog]

Yes, I read that also, but AZ got approved here around the same time Moderna etc was approved in the US. Why is it so far behind Moderna?

As far as I can see, Moderna started earlier (in the US), focussed on the US (unlike AZ) and have been quicker in their study to get the data to the FDA.

Speculation but ... AZ had a guaranteed 100M doses with the UK if it worked (plus however many in the EU), so maybe this made more sense for them to focus here?

There has also been some "comment" in the US on the original data, so it probably makes sense for them to have a pretty robust and US-only data set before submission.

I worked in an industry connected with drug approvals. It's not so much that they are better in the US, but if you haven't got everything in place 100% consistent with their system first time, then you can make your life very difficult.

I wouldn't be 100% surprised if the FDA didn't approve the Oxford-AZ vaccine first time.

 

[Doom_On_Horseback]

As far as I can see, Moderna started earlier (in the US), focussed on the US (unlike AZ) and have been quicker in their study to get the data to the FDA.

Speculation but ... AZ had a guaranteed 100M doses with the UK if it worked (plus however many in the EU), so maybe this made more sense for them to focus here?

There has also been some "comment" in the US on the original data, so it probably makes sense for them to have a pretty robust and US-only data set before submission.

I worked in an industry connected with drug approvals. It's not so much that they are better in the US, but if you haven't got everything in place 100% consistent with their system first time, then you can make your life very difficult.

I wouldn't be 100% surprised if the FDA didn't approve the Oxford-AZ vaccine first time.

Yes, I read that the FDA reported 'a pretty big error' in the AZ data.

 

[MFP]

It was exactly £65.5 million, according to the government's own website:

Funding for UK vaccine programme

In the same week, AstraZeneca made the following announcement:



AstraZeneca press release

So I think we should probably be thanking the US government a bit more than the UK government.

It was more tad more than £65.5m

It has been reported that the technology behind the Oxford vaccine has received over £1 billion in public funding from the UK government to date.

University know-how the secret sauce for vaccine success

All three approved Covid vaccines have their roots in academic IP and technology transfer

www.irishtimes.com

 

[Mendieta14]

To be fair this vacine #1. In 10 years when we're looking at the 3rd or 4th revision with 99.9% immunity we'll look back and think it was worth spending big early-on.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

It was more tad more than £65.5m

University know-how the secret sauce for vaccine success

All three approved Covid vaccines have their roots in academic IP and technology transfer

www.irishtimes.com

No figures given there, 'it was reported' but no references?

 

[MFP]

No figures given there, 'it was reported' but no references?

I suppose you could go to Google and search for all the reports of investment made if it's of great importance to you.

 

[brain_in_a_jar]

It was exactly £65.5 million, according to the government's own website:

Funding for UK vaccine programme

In the same week, AstraZeneca made the following announcement:



AstraZeneca press release

So I think we should probably be thanking the US government a bit more than the UK government.

This wouldn't take into account the upfront money the government provided to AZ for the 100,0000000 doses of the vaccine though. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that this equated to around £600,000000 upfront which then enabled AZ to build the supply chain and manufacture of the vaccine that was required. Without that upfront cash the vaccine wouldn't have been rolled out as quickly, well unless somebody else stepped in, but we'll never know how that would have played out.

 

[John67]

Just had mine first jab today. Have to say I was pleased it was the Pfizer vaccine as both my neighbours and a mate have had the Atrazenica and complained of feeling unwell for a few days. Two other friends have had the Pfizer and not stated anything untoward. Hardly scientific I know . Have to say the whole procedure seemed very organised so well done the NHS

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

I suppose you could go to Google and search for all the reports of investment made if it's of great importance to you.

I found the same information that was mentioned earlier in the thread. You argued against it without producing anything of relevance.

 

[MFP]

I found the same information that was mentioned earlier in the thread. You argued against it without producing anything of relevance.

You should give Bing a spin then. Your Google is obviously faulty.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

You should give Bing a spin then. Your Google is obviously faulty.

Get it pasted up then.

 

[MFP]

Why? You clearly know how to use a keyboard.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

£65m or thereabouts from the UK, $1bn from USA and €336m from the EU?

 

[MFP]

Must be. If that's all you've found since asking yesterday then everything else is a complete fabrication.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

What 'everything else'?