NHS pay rise 1%

Mwelolo said:
What makes this more galling is the pay rise teachers got last year, when nurses got nothing.
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Don't know if it's already been said but nurses did get a pay rise last year. They had a three year pay deal and last year was the last year of that.
 
DanBoro4499 said:
Sorry if I ruffle any feathers here but who do you feel more sorry for?

An NHS worker who STILL has a job and has received a pay rise (regardless of how low).

Or the person with a partner and kids who lost their job or had to permanently close their pub/restaurant, and is now worrying where the next lot of money is coming from?
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Do you work for the Tories?

Because people should be under no illusions - this type of thing is EXACTLY what the Tory machine is setting up right now. 100%. It’s happening right now, Tory shills and internet activists and sock puppets are being given this play to run with right now. Radio phone in ‘people’ will get briefed on what to say to sew the seeds of this to a larger audience, newspaper journalists will be being instructed on how they need to slant their narrative.

Tory cyber minions up and down the country are being told ‘this is the attack line. We’ll stigmatise the NHS workers as being greedy. We’ll push the ‘Who do they think they are? What makes them think they deserve a pay rise above all others?’ line and the ‘they are lucky to still have a job, many others have lost theirs’ mantra. They will become the new miners, the new shipyard workers, the new teachers etc.

And enough people who, with respect, aren’t fully clued up on how this all works, will buy it, repeat it, and propagate it. Enough folk who are good, honest, decent but politically naive people, will spread this narrative and do the Tory job for them, turning public opinion against those heroic folk who have been fighting to save lives over the past year (and every year, before covid) and who have seen the most horrendous things, have had to work under horrendous conditions with inadequate PPE while millions and millions of pounds worth of not-fit-for-purpose gear sits unused, Tory chums having made a mint out of OUR purses, corruptly, and nurses and doctors have had to treat and watch their own colleagues die while wearing bin bags and home made face masks for protection.

This is going to be the Tory attack line and many good people will fall for it.
Don’t be one of those. Don’t let them play you and use you to turn public opinion against those who will be there doing all they can to save you in your moment of need.

Don’t discount the above as just a loony leftie having a rant.
It’s already happening. It’s going to be their play.
 
SNICKERED said:
Isn't this the point. The difference between a "bin man's" wage and a nurse is not that big. With respect to refuge collectors, they don't study for three years unpaid to aquire a degree. They don't have the aptitude, responsibility or the emotional investment. If you want able people to look after your loved ones you need to pay for it. This wouldnt be an issue but wages have been suppressed for 10 years, even without Covid it is clear they are severely undervalued and taken for granted.
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So only those with more aptitude, responsibility and emotional investment are more deserving of a pay rise, regardless of the sacrifices they’ve made over the last year?

NHS staff deserve a pay rise, of course they do, but so do many many others.
 
uncle_rico said:
So only those with more aptitude, responsibility and emotional investment are more deserving of a pay rise, regardless of the sacrifices they’ve made over the last year?

NHS staff deserve a pay rise, of course they do, but so do many many others.
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Soldiers who have died due to lack of proper protective equipment have had lawsuits brought by their surviving families, and quite rightly so. Doctors and nurses were, and make no mistake about this Rico, sent in to battle wearing bin liners. Not one, as far as I am aware has started legal action for wrongful death. The comparisons you are making miss this important fact. I assume its an oversight, if not, you are behaving rather stupidly if you cannot see the difference.
 
I’ve worked for a charity for the past 21 years

For most of those 21 years I’d have been grateful for even just a 1% pay rise


Really can’t be arsed arguing with any of you. Just saying.
 
Laughing said:
Soldiers who have died due to lack of proper protective equipment have had lawsuits brought by their surviving families, and quite rightly so. Doctors and nurses were, and make no mistake about this Rico, sent in to battle wearing bin liners. Not one, as far as I am aware has started legal action for wrongful death. The comparisons you are making miss this important fact. I assume its an oversight, if not, you are behaving rather stupidly if you cannot see the difference.
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Yep, having to use bin liners was a disgrace, but pretty much every other country found themselves in the same situation. The popular photo that many like to share is actually from Spain. In no way an excuse, because everyone deserves the right tools to do the job, but let’s not pretend it was just this country.

How much PPE did teachers get? Apart from face coverings, most still don’t have anything, or a procedure in place. Do they not deserve a pay rise?

And, as an aside, you know fine well that NHS staff will get more than 1%, which is at this stage just advisory btw. Boris the great saviour will no doubt come along with an improvement on that in a bid to make himself and the government look good, and loads of people will lap it up.

My point stil stands though, that there are many other people in society that are getting SFA, and are just as deserving given what they have also sacrificed.
 
uncle_rico said:
My point stil stands though, that there are many other people in society that are getting SFA, and are just as deserving given what they have also sacrificed.
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I don't think anyone is saying that other people don't need a pay-rise.

This discussion is about the NHS. The headlines are about the NHS.

Do NHS staff need a pay-rise?


*need rather than "deserve" - that's more right-wing rhetoric
 
Can’t we just go out on the front of our houses along with Boris and give them a hearty hand clap every Thursday ? 👏
 
Aet290204 said:
I’ve worked for a charity for the past 21 years

For most of those 21 years I’d have been grateful for even just a 1% pay rise


Really can’t be arsed arguing with any of you. Just saying.
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I'm not sure what point you're making?

Are you saying NHS staff don't need a pay-rise to off-set the rising cost-of-living because your situation means you've had/chosen to work for nothing?

Do you not think that your situation needs looking at too?

Or do we all just find the very worst situations that people are in and just be thankful it's not us?

"Don't pay nurses because kids in Africa dig out diamonds for free."
 
Chris_Boro said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1367990111204499463
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This from the BBC report on the same subject

No 10 plans to start televised daily press conferences, like those held at the White House - to be fronted by spokeswoman Allegra Stratton.

The Cabinet Office said the spending "is in the public interest" as it will "increase public accountability and transparency."

Accountability and transparency my @rse.
 
Cambsred said:
Just link pay to inflation. everyone's happy.
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Really?

Give people just enough to keep the wolf from the door?

Nurses are already having to use food-banks. Linking current pay to inflation is only better than 1% because 1% is so ludicrously pathetic.

You've worked out what the problem is but haven't managed to see the logic through.
 
Yearbyred said:
This from the BBC report on the same subject

No 10 plans to start televised daily press conferences, like those held at the White House - to be fronted by spokeswoman Allegra Stratton.

The Cabinet Office said the spending "is in the public interest" as it will "increase public accountability and transparency."

Accountability and transparency my @rse.
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"We do not accept that characterisation"
 
The doctors all got good pay rises under the last review. The nurse should get a lot better pay rise not all the NHS
 
Yearbyred said:
This from the BBC report on the same subject

No 10 plans to start televised daily press conferences, like those held at the White House - to be fronted by spokeswoman Allegra Stratton.

The Cabinet Office said the spending "is in the public interest" as it will "increase public accountability and transparency."

Accountability and transparency my @rse.
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It's like something from North Korea
 
Scrote said:
Really?

Give people just enough to keep the wolf from the door?

Nurses are already having to use food-banks. Linking current pay to inflation is only better than 1% because 1% is so ludicrously pathetic.

You've worked out what the problem is but haven't managed to see the logic through.
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I was thinking much more long term. Every year. These 3 yearly reviews that then decide below inflation single year payrises are adequate is the problem.

if inflation related rises had been in place over the last 10 years then surely the proportionate paycuts would not have occurred.

Regarding only nurses getting a payrise it isn't really feasible. healthcare is delivered by multiple professionals. administrators to management.
 
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