NHS pay rise 1%

A nurse's starting salary is £25k do you earn less than that? That's what you said, so it should be easy to answer. Simple enough. I don't know why you're prevaricating.

And if you do earn less than that - join a union as it's the best means to raise your wage.
Plenty of folks earn under 25k and don't use food banks.


I'm not comparing those lowest paid jobs to nurses by the way before somebody beats me with a big stick. The whole if you earn under 25k you should join a union argument doesn't work.
 
Plenty of folks earn under 25k and don't use food banks.


I'm not comparing those lowest paid jobs to nurses by the way before somebody beats me with a big stick. The whole if you earn under 25k you should join a union argument doesn't work.
It does. If more people were unionised bosses couldn't get away with half the **** they do
 
I spent the early years of my working life getting paid a pittance. I was lucky in that I was able to live with my parents and get fed. I wouldn't recommend anyone else doing the same and I wouldn't expect other people to 'make do' just because I did.

We are NOT going broke. We create money as and when we need it (that Magic Money Tree that people keep insisting doesn't exist).

We can afford to give them a LOT more if we choose to. It's purely a political choice driven by a political agenda (in this case the privatisation of the NHS).
Clearly it’s an emotive subject for you
It isn’t for me. Sorry.
 
Looks like you missed part of the syllabus , can I make a suggestion https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/...MIkdjamOeb7wIVpe_tCh3eBQw3EAAYAyAAEgKqwfD_BwE
I ended up in a bit of a ‘spat’ with Scrote and the illustrious Adi Dem the other night about this.

I‘m not an economist but its obvious that you can’t just keep putting limitless unearned money into the system. The value of the pound will plummet and inflation will rise.

There seems to be this thing going around that if you need an extra few hundred billion here and there you just knock on the Bank of England’s door and they just give you it and that’s it.
 
Plenty of folks earn under 25k and don't use food banks.


I'm not comparing those lowest paid jobs to nurses by the way before somebody beats me with a big stick. The whole if you earn under 25k you should join a union argument doesn't work.
The equivalent wages 20/30/40 years ago (low paid) would go a lot further than it does now. 25000 a year is nothing, unlikely to be able to buy your house for one. So much dead money, its expensive being poor. Some will be able to budget better than others although whether someone uses a food bank or not is irrelevant. The fact they are needed at all is a symptom of how uneven the economy is and how little wages have rose relative to productivity and profit.
 
Looks like you missed part of the syllabus , can I make a suggestion https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/...MIkdjamOeb7wIVpe_tCh3eBQw3EAAYAyAAEgKqwfD_BwE

It really is entertaining when you give out.

Explain to me why my point isn't right? Why we can't run a deficit?

N.b. any household budget analogies will make it clear that you're, as usual, talking absolute **** gravy

In the meantime educate yourself:

 
I ended up in a bit of a ‘spat’ with Scrote and the illustrious Adi Dem the other night about this.

I‘m not an economist but its obvious that you can’t just keep putting limitless unearned money into the system. The value of the pound will plummet and inflation will rise.

There seems to be this thing going around that if you need an extra few hundred billion here and there you just knock on the Bank of England’s door and they just give you it and that’s it.
I mean they are not alone I’ve seen quite a few YouTube videos/articles etc on it but for me down to the basics there is a reason somebody is responsible for managing money. Left un managed or mismanaged usually ends up with the problems you describe.

I’m all for a substantial pay rise for the nurses they bloody deserve it as do a lot of professions but ultimately it has to be paid for from somewhere. I would happily see my income tax go up if I knew it were to go directly to the nursing profession or as others have suggested if we got Amazon etc to pay the correct amount of tax then that could be used but what we can’t do is just print money!
 
It really is entertaining when you give out.

Explain to me why my point isn't right? Why we can't run a deficit?

N.b. any household budget analogies will make it clear that you're, as usual, talking absolute **** gravy

In the meantime educate yourself:

Most gvts run a deficit but that’s not what you suggested is it now?
 
I mean they are not alone I’ve seen quite a few YouTube videos/articles etc on it but for me down to the basics there is a reason somebody is responsible for managing money. Left un managed or mismanaged usually ends up with the problems you describe.

I’m all for a substantial pay rise for the nurses they bloody deserve it as do a lot of professions but ultimately it has to be paid for from somewhere. I would happily see my income tax go up if I knew it were to go directly to the nursing profession or as others have suggested if we got Amazon etc to pay the correct amount of tax then that could be used but what we can’t do is just print money!
No we can't print money but we can give £22bn to Serco for a failed Track and Trace system.

In a submission to the Treasury ahead of the Budget the RCN told the Chancellor a pay increase of 12.5% this year for nursing and other NHS staff would increase the wage bill in England by £4.25bn.

I appreciate that would be another £4.25bn a year for all time so not directly comparable to the wasted £22bn but nevertheless it does make you realise just how much of taxpayers money has been wasted on private enterprises during the pandemic.
 
Looks like you missed part of the syllabus
It's not a part of the syllabus for a reason.

I‘m not an economist but its obvious that you can’t just keep putting limitless unearned money into the system. The value of the pound will plummet and inflation will rise.
Just because you're ignorant to the facts doesn't make them any less true.

What is "unearned" money - or more pertinantly, what is "earned" money and where does it come from?

Inflation is controlled via taxation (in the main).

there is a reason somebody is responsible for managing money. Left un managed or mismanaged usually ends up with the problems you describe
Who is suggesting leaving anything unmanaged?

Just a very weak straw-man that shows your lack of understanding of modern economics (since we left the Gold-Standard at a minimum).
 
Most gvts run a deficit but that’s not what you suggested is it now?
I suggested we can borrow more and/or print more money to do the majority of things that you say we can't afford. You say it because of 'the basics'. But, as usual, you've got the basics wrong.

The limiting factor is whether the economy has the capacity to absorb government spending without driving inflation. If government spending is in the right areas - like helping the low paid - then the money will likely stimulate the economy and increase capacity.
 
No we can't print money but we can give £22bn to Serco for a failed Track and Trace system.

In a submission to the Treasury ahead of the Budget the RCN told the Chancellor a pay increase of 12.5% this year for nursing and other NHS staff would increase the wage bill in England by £4.25bn.

I appreciate that would be another £4.25bn a year for all time so not directly comparable to the wasted £22bn but nevertheless it does make you realise just how much of taxpayers money has been wasted on private enterprises during the pandemic.
Yep agree with that. There has been far too much money wasted during this pandemic.
 
Not emotive, particularly.

If you don't care then fair enough. I'm not going to persuade you that it matters on a message board. Especially if you don't want persuading.
Don’t think I need persuading of anything - I agree that any pay rise that doesn’t match inflation is poor. And in this period of economic uncertainty with job losses and all that then it is at least a pay rise. I’m probably different to most in that working for a charity I’m not massively motivated by salary. If I was I’d have ****ed off years ago ! Sorry and all that but I really can’t get outraged about this...!!
 
It's not a part of the syllabus for a reason.


Just because you're ignorant to the facts doesn't make them any less true.

What is "unearned" money - or more pertinantly, what is "earned" money and where does it come from?

Inflation is controlled via taxation (in the main).


Who is suggesting leaving anything unmanaged?

Just a very weak straw-man that shows your lack of understanding of modern economics (since we left the Gold-Standard at a minimum).
Good reference to taxation there Scrotey, starting to get there, keep thinking....!
 
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