NHS pay rise 1%

The paltry offer to nhs staff is a disgrace and anyone who disagrees, regardless of the rhetoric used, is excusing this government. The country can afford more and they should be given more. There isn't really a conversation to be had about this. The reintroduction of parking charges ests up the increase 5 fold.

It's a disgrace and I am thoroughly ashamed of our leadership and anyone that put them there.
 
Cambsred said:
I was thinking much more long term. Every year. These 3 yearly reviews that then decide below inflation single year payrises are adequate is the problem.

if inflation related rises had been in place over the last 10 years then surely the proportionate paycuts would not have occurred.

Regarding only nurses getting a payrise it isn't really feasible. healthcare is delivered by multiple professionals. administrators to management.
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Sorry, I think I mis-interpreted your earlier post.

Yeah, an index-linked pay package across the public sector would get rid of these annual headlines - but I'm pretty sure the Tories relish the chance to set worker against worker.

As with everything the devil is in the detail. It would still require a body looking at relative pay-rises across the bands to make sure the higher earners didn't rocket away from lower earners due to fixed percentage increases.
 
This is disgusting but totally predictable.
I keep thinking about the poor fella who came out of retirement to volunteer back as a paramedic. COVID got him. A real hero.
These stinking tories shamelessly give money to friends with bent COVID PPE contracts then sh.it on the NHS workers who have done the country proud - just like they always do. The NHS survives on their commitment and generosity and the tories think a fu.cking round of applause once a week would keep them happy.
How many pay rises have MPs awarded theirselves?
It makes me feel sick. Yet working class people voted for them. Maybe its me - maybe I have it all wrong.
 
Scrote said:
Really?

Give people just enough to keep the wolf from the door?

Nurses are already having to use food-banks. Linking current pay to inflation is only better than 1% because 1% is so ludicrously pathetic.

You've worked out what the problem is but haven't managed to see the logic through.
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Daft question and don't shoot me down but I earn less than a nurse and have two kids yet I've never had to use a food bank in my life.

Now I'm not saying they aren't using food banks, but it cannot be just because of the wage they earn. There must be other factors involved.
 
Randy said:
Daft question and don't shoot me down but I earn less than a nurse and have two kids yet I've never had to use a food bank in my life.

Now I'm not saying they aren't using food banks, but it cannot be just because of the wage they earn. There must be other factors involved.
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Student loan for one. I have no idea what your personal circumstances are Randy, but a 1st year nurse earns just 24 grand a year and has 35 grand of debt. Granted a fair portion of that debt doesnt start to be repaid until they are a second year nurse, when their salary goes above the student loan threshhold. Howeverr, typically they will have debt that has to be serviced immeadiately like the 3 grand overrdraft they will have after un, the credit card debt they will have. That can easily reduce the real starting salary down to somehwere below 18 thousand.

This is someone who has a vocational degree.

I don't know what you earn Randy, but a nurse starting herr career is git poor. Given that many of them are mature students who already have family commitments this isn't really acceptable.

Do they use food banks? I suspect some do, but I don't know. A junior doctor starts on 28 grand a year and has, usually somewhere in excess of 60,000 worth of debt that is servicable immeadiately. They are even poorer than most nurses. Now consider this against a junior doctor in the US, starting salary 148,000 USD MINIMUM. A 75th percentile junior doctor in the USA earns quater of a million dollars a year.
 
Scrote said:
I'm not sure what point you're making?

Are you saying NHS staff don't need a pay-rise to off-set the rising cost-of-living because your situation means you've had/chosen to work for nothing?

Do you not think that your situation needs looking at too?

Or do we all just find the very worst situations that people are in and just be thankful it's not us?

"Don't pay nurses because kids in Africa dig out diamonds for free."
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Our situation was addressed. Board realised we were lagging behind and addressed it. I don’t earn great money but I have enough to live on and afford a house the bills. I get by. I probably earn roughly the same as a nurse. My point was I made do.

This whole thing is just another stick to beat the tories with - we are going to be broke by the pandemic and they simply can’t afford to give them more.

And I’m no Tory before anyone suggests I am....just can’t get upset about it....but I am sympathetic
 
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Aet290204 said:
Our situation was addressed. Board realised we were lagging behind and addressed it. I don’t earn great money but I have enough to live on and afford a house the bills. I get by. I probably earn roughly the same as a nurse. My point was I made do.

This whole thing is just another stick to beat the tories with - we are going to be broke by the pandemic and they simply can’t afford to give them more.

And I’m no Tory before anyone suggests I am....just can’t get upset about it....
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Thing is - we're not gonna go broke. That's just a lie propagated by the government since 2010.

We owe most of our money to the Bank of England, so ourselves.

It's an ideological choice made by the Tories, nothing else. They don't think nurses, or anyone else l, deserves a pay rise.
 
Laughing said:
Student loan for one. I have no idea what your personal circumstances are Randy, but a 1st year nurse earns just 24 grand a year and has 35 grand of debt. Granted a fair portion of that debt doesnt start to be repaid until they are a second year nurse, when their salary goes above the student loan threshhold. Howeverr, typically they will have debt that has to be serviced immeadiately like the 3 grand overrdraft they will have after un, the credit card debt they will have. That can easily reduce the real starting salary down to somehwere below 18 thousand.

This is someone who has a vocational degree.

I don't know what you earn Randy, but a nurse starting herr career is git poor. Given that many of them are mature students who already have family commitments this isn't really acceptable.

Do they use food banks? I suspect some do, but I don't know. A junior doctor starts on 28 grand a year and has, usually somewhere in excess of 60,000 worth of debt that is servicable immeadiately. They are even poorer than most nurses. Now consider this against a junior doctor in the US, starting salary 148,000 USD MINIMUM. A 75th percentile junior doctor in the USA earns quater of a million dollars a year.
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Which is what I'm saying. The problems start before the job. Uni fees are way too expensive.
 
For all the zipped-up body bags,
for carrying your country without pause,
for tending all those beds,
for tending to our dead
you get 1% and a round of applause.

For willing breath into spent lungs,
snatching life from death’s sure jaws,
for working without sleep,
digging in, digging deep,
you get 1% and a round of applause.

For walking through a hurricane,
the thanks from they who make the laws:
(a quick roll from a drum kit)
you can like it or lump it,
it’s 1% and a round of applause.
 
In real terms, the figue bandied about by Johnson when he talks about the 12% pay increase over 3 years for nurses. If you look at how that was awarded, experienced nurses got below 5% over 3 years, the rest went to first year nursing staff. Once you include the rate of inflation, expreienced nursing staff got 0.18%. And that is before you factor in the addition of over 1,000 per year to park their cars at their place of work.

The NHS is chronically short of nurses, meaning that nurses have to care for more patients that it is safe to. This leads to a de-moralised work force and people leaving the proffession in droves.

The NHS is being gutted and d*ck heads who complain about bin men not getting a pay rise fail completely to understand the direction this government are pushing the NHS. You cannot and should not compare a nurse with a bin man, a shop worker or even a teacher. The tories are gutting the NHS which will lead to a completely unregulated private healthcare system similar to the one that exists in the USA.

It's a F***ing disgrace.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
That's how much a starting nurse earns. Do you earn less than that? If so, you need to join a union.
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Join a union? Why? Are you talking household income or personal income?


Simple solution to all of this? It's known that the country has shortage of nurses yes? Well why don't we for a short period of years make training and education to become a nurse completely free? Whilst we are at it, wipe off the current educational debt that medical professionals are paying.
 
Randy said:
Join a union? Why? Are you talking household income or personal income?


Simple solution to all of this? It's known that the country has shortage of nurses yes? Well why don't we for a short period of years make training and education to become a nurse completely free? Whilst we are at it, wipe off the current educational debt that medical professionals are paying.
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A nurse's starting salary is £25k do you earn less than that? That's what you said, so it should be easy to answer. Simple enough. I don't know why you're prevaricating.

And if you do earn less than that - join a union as it's the best means to raise your wage.
 
This poem was written 2008 by poet, writer, teacher, and all round good bloke..Micheal Rosen to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the NHS.

These are the hands

These are the hands
That touch us first
Feel your head
Find the pulse
And make your bed.

These are the hands
That tap your back
Test the skin
Hold your arm
Wheel the bin
Change the bulb
Fix the drip
Pour the jug
Replace your hip.

These are the hands
That fill the bath
Mop the floor
Flick the switch
Soothe the sore
Burn the swabs
Give us a jab
Throw out sharps
Design the lab.

And these are the hands
That stop the leaks
Empty the pan
Wipe the pipes
Carry the can
Clamp the veins
Make the cast
Log the dose
And touch us last.
 
Aet290204 said:
My point was I made do.

This whole thing is just another stick to beat the tories with - we are going to be broke by the pandemic and they simply can’t afford to give them more.
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I spent the early years of my working life getting paid a pittance. I was lucky in that I was able to live with my parents and get fed. I wouldn't recommend anyone else doing the same and I wouldn't expect other people to 'make do' just because I did.

We are NOT going broke. We create money as and when we need it (that Magic Money Tree that people keep insisting doesn't exist).

We can afford to give them a LOT more if we choose to. It's purely a political choice driven by a political agenda (in this case the privatisation of the NHS).
 
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