Scrote
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It's amazing that in all your reading you've only managed to unearth a blatant lie that's been shared across right-wing sites and repeated by Tory MPs (who've been called out but haven't yet apologised as far as I'm aware).
NHS pay rise 1%
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It's amazing that in all your reading you've only managed to unearth a blatant lie that's been shared across right-wing sites and repeated by Tory MPs (who've been called out but haven't yet apologised as far as I'm aware).
As opposed to Camerons, Mays and Johnson magic money tree. What is the difference.
FatCat
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I literally googled it and that was the first thing I found. I mean I would assume it’s quite easy to prove or disprove if as you suggest it’s a lie.
Nero
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When you look into the details that's exactly what's happening. Parts of the country haven't recovered from Cameron's government and their ideological austerity. It's now heading that way again dressed up as something else.
Nero
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The latest reports suggest it's £37 billion on a joke of a system too.
Chris_Boro
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None of this and I mean not one thing mentioned in the thread matters more than Harry and Megan, nothing.
SNICKERED
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I8 1.5
You've been doing Daily Mail maths.... 34,000 is a Charge Nurse salary, a relatively small and senior grade, a and they received a 1.7 %pay rise last year, but have had a 20%cut in real terms over the last 10 yrs. £16,000 is a health care assistant wage, interestingly the occupation that carry the greatest risk(its not just about qualified nurse pay but the whole NHS).
Also like to add all qualified nurses have degrees many have Masters degrees. Their salaries are way behind the norm for graduates with far greater responsibility.They don't want charity just a fair wage.
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uncle_rico
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I've never said the country can't afford it, not sure where you have got that from? And not sure how you can say that you when you don't know me?
As I said, the bigger picture is that its not just NHS staff who deserve a pay rise. 1% is an insult, but nothing is even more of an insult.
uncle_rico
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A health care assistant isn't a nurse. Its a role to provide valuable support to nurses, but it is essentially an unqualified role. The do deserve a lot more than they get though.
When are people going to start banging the drum for our armed forces personnel who, at a comparative level, earn a lot less than NHS staff?
MolteniArcore
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Do soldiers use food banks? Nurses do.
SNICKERED
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I know what a health care assistant is, my point was its a 1%rise for ALL staff in the NHS.
All public service staff are undervalued,the point is plucking random salaries out of the air to discredit an occupation is a classic Tory stratagy. I grow up in the seventies believing miners were paid a fortune causing resentment among other occupations , ensuring they lacked support from others while their livelihood was destroyed.
Scrote
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More or less what @SNICKERED said. It's the usual Tory use of averages to mean something completely different to what they actually represent.
An independent site showing figures for 'actual' nurses gives a median salary of £25,323
The 12% pay-rise thing is more of the same nonsense - the whole pay structure was rejigged and simplified a couple of years ago to increase the lower bands - I think the lowest band did get a larger increase (possibly even 12%) but Dorries isn't saying that.
Salaries were set to increase by an average of 6.5% over 3 years but only up to a certain level.
Andy_W
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In my experience (albeit for 9 years, which was about 10 years ago), it's because in the forces it's a doddle 90% of the time, but you sort of get conned into thinking it's rough all the time, when in reality it's not, not anywhere near. For most of the low paid folk, it requires low (if any) qualifications, and then minimal training (which is free). You also get super cheap accommodation and all you can eat food for super cheap too, if you live on camp (which is often the low ranks/ low paid ones), you don't have to pay for parking on base either.
You also get to turn up absolutely steaming drunk, and you get applauded for it, not fired.
Forces guys are paid fine on the whole, I think, but they should get paid more when on ops, which are a genuine risk (which most aren't). Those coming out, with low crossover skills to public life should get treat better, especially those with PTSD and those discharged due to injuries or accidents.
NYboro
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It was entry-level that got 12% because they couldn't get any new nurses any other way.
Randy
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Nurses don't live on the streets. Some ex forces guys do.
It's not a competition by the way. Both the armed forces and the NHS have been cut over the years.
@uncle_rico 's stance is perfectly fine, it shouldn't just be the NHS. What about police, fire brigade, teachers etc.
LaPennaBianca
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Soldiers had a 2% pay rise last year and the MOD saw.its budget increase this year too.
Laughing
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Yes they do, just not you and me. That is a misunderstanding of taxes and economics.
Laughing
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I don't disagree with Rico's position at all, he is right they should all have pay increases, along with anyone living in poverty. My issue was in "seeing the bigger picture" The bigger picture is we can afford this and the goverrnment choose not to. It really is that simple.
Blf
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I worked as a senior nurse and can assure you that HCA's are far from being unqualified. Any that are employed now have (or agree to undertake) nvq level 3 qualifications as a minimum. I used to look at the exams and work books and they are really at a difficult level and all this has to be done while holding down a full time job and family life.
The NHS could not function without them.