Pog
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It’s so easy to pull apart arguments that are based on absolutely nothing...
Neil Warnock surpasses all my Expectations
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It’s so easy to pull apart arguments that are based on absolutely nothing...
Marvanelli
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Marvanelli
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I'd give up lads. It's like trying to argue with Trump. Pog has a pathological inability to accept that he might be wrong. You're never going to win.
I think he's probably convinced himself he enjoyed watching us under Pulis. Possibly the only person in the country, but fair enough. It's erm, certainly an opinion.
As highlighted in this thread!
Couldn't be more right with your comments if you tried @festa5 !
Marvanelli
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You're right, it's very easy to manipulate stats.....to suit your agenda.
Oh and this was the season we had attacking players like Bamford, Britt, Adama, Jack Harrison, Downing, Braithwaite (for 6 months) in our locker.....and we were only just in the top half for shots with that amount of attacking threat in our armoury.
Just imagine if Warnock had those options and personnel available.....
Like I've said a number of times.
Comparing Warnock to Pulis is comparing apples with oranges.
Two completely different managers. One is a charlatan. One has a flawless record in this division.
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Pog
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This is what you do, you never acknowledge anything when you’re proven to be wrong, you just flit to the empty attack line.
You’ve strongly disagreed that we had plenty of attempts under Pulis and I’ve proven you are wrong. Case closed.
Your response is to accuse me of “manipulating stats to suit my agenda” so to prove your point as to how terrible we were at attacking under Pulis you’ve presented me with stats from a 46 game season, in which Pulis wasn’t manager for 24 of them.
And I’m the one manipulating stats?
Absolute hypocrisy
Marvanelli
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Even after amending the stats to show the 24 games he was manager (more than the 22 you seem to think....you're probably still giving him that Boxing Day game when he wasn't the manager in the dug out - all because we won)......we still weren't near the top 6 for shots, which that core of attacking talent should've easily been!This is what you do, you never acknowledge anything when you’re proven to be wrong, you just flit to the empty attack line.
You’ve strongly disagreed that we had plenty of attempts under Pulis and I’ve proven you are wrong. Case closed.
Your response is to accuse me of “manipulating stats to suit my agenda” so to prove your point as to how terrible we were at attacking under Pulis you’ve presented me with stats from a 46 game season, in which Pulis wasn’t manager for 24 of them.
And I’m the one manipulating stats?
Absolute hypocrisy
And as for shots/goals....the full season he was in charge only 4 teams scored less than us.....and this was after being happy to sell Bamford and failing to replace him....and having Braithwaite for 6 months.....quality Pulis wasn't he? Why ever did we part ways with him?
Oh and I'm still holding my breath @Pog
Care to answer the previous set of questions you keep on dodging?
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allied_assault
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What I would say is this - we are a quarter of a season through - lets see where we are at the end of the season - it's great at the moment but to finish seventh and was it play-offs before that was a good achievement under TP.
They are both good managers in their own right if you ask me although I prefer NW's style of football personally.
They are both good managers in their own right if you ask me although I prefer NW's style of football personally.
Marvanelli
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That's the problem.
Looking back, and even looking then, the squad he inherited with the resources available, play offs were a minimum objective of ours.....then to throw it all away with 2 pathetic performances in the play offs just highlighted the fact Pulis wasn't good enough.
The season after, he still had a healthy transfer budget to play with and yet decided to blast the best part of £25m on rubbish/players we didn't need.
Far from a 'good achievement' - hence why we rightly parted ways....just a shame it wasn't a year earlier when he should've been binned.
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Ex Footy Legs
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festa5
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He's also a massive hypocrite given his posting record over the years. If he moans relentlessly (which he has form for) and repeatedly slags off the manager (which he did with Mowbray) it's ok. Ironically Mowbray also finished 7th. He did it with a fraction of the budget Pulis had and with us playing far far better football. Pretty sure Pog whinged constantly that season.
Others do it to his hero though and it's suddenly "toxic".
InglebyUTB
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This is what you do, you never acknowledge anything when you’re proven to be wrong, you just flit to the empty attack line.
You’ve strongly disagreed that we had plenty of attempts under Pulis and I’ve proven you are wrong. Case closed.
Your response is to accuse me of “manipulating stats to suit my agenda” so to prove your point as to how terrible we were at attacking under Pulis you’ve presented me with stats from a 46 game season, in which Pulis wasn’t manager for 24 of them.
And I’m the one manipulating stats?
Absolute hypocrisy
It's embarrassing how @Marvanelli keeps coming back for more despite having his pants continually pulled down
Pog
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I almost feel embarrassed at how easy it is.
You just have to quote back to him what he’s previously said and his entire argument dissolves.
Pog
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Only 6 teams have scored less goals than us now, and you think what this manager is offering is totally different to the “tripe” that Pulis did.
I guess being two higher on that scale makes all the difference.
Pog
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Our fans booed the team when they went fourth in the league after winning a cup and getting into Europe.
As our manager at the time said, our fans need educating.
Pog
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I never boo the team during games, it’s totally self defeating.
Yet I’ve had argument after argument with our fans on here who think because they pay their money they’re right to boo and heckle their own players, like it will make them play any better.
Ex Footy Legs
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Marvanelli
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Bang on.
He did the same with Aitor if I seem to remember too.
Marvanelli
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Still waiting @Pog
I have to say that I have been amazed by NW. I was never a fan and have to admit I didn’t think he could do the turn around the way he has, or how quickly. Plus he lives down south and it would not have surprised me if it had all been a bit of a struggle before he headed off into retirement. I had no idea he was such a good man manager. Yes I was aware of his experience but the way he has cajoled and encouraged players, whose confidence appeared shot, got rid of the deadwood and at the same time getting us playing decent footie has blew me away. Hope he stays for as long as he like. Agree we need to make a proper fuss of their lass
Pog
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Waiting for what? You’re doing your usual trick when you’ve got nothing - create an argument with yourself. Your going back over old arguments about Pulis’ time at the club, he’s gone. Get over it. You got what you wanted when you got Woodgate.
I’ve highlighted several things which you’ve ignored, and after I’ve highlighted how great it is to be rid of overpaid mercenaries who don’t want to be here you become obsessed with Martin Braithwaite, the very definition of who I was talking about.
So in summary, you think Warnock is great and Pulis was a disaster despite:
Pulis having more points, more goals and higher up in the league at the same stage of the season, and you wanted him sacked then.
Say “it couldn’t get worse under Pulis” despite us finishing 7th and we’re currently.....7th
Praise Warnock’s for how we attack despite only 6 teams scoring less goals than us, Pulis was a negative dinosaur when only 4 teams had scored less than us.
Both managers have given us the best defence in the league.
Blame Assomablonga’s form on Pulis man management, despite him not improving under Warnock either despite being given a ton of undeserved praise and the captaincy.
Criticise Pulis for the lack of shots, despite being the 5th best in the league for shots per game that season.
Criticise Pulis for playing players out of position, when Warnock has done the same.
Criticise Pulis for playing too many defenders in certain games, when Warnock has done the same.
Criticise Pulis for the fans being toxic when they’ve always being toxic and Warnock is yet to manage a single game infront of a regular matchday crowd.
Criticise Pulis’ press conferences, when he’s said as many complementary things about the area as Warnock.
Think Pulis is a charlatan and Warnock is a great manager, despite Pulis having many seasons in the Premier League and Warnock failing every single time he’s managed in that division.
The two managers philosophies are very similar. The performances and results are very similar. If you were to give me a choice between the two in our current situation, I would 100% pick Warnock. He has the nouse in this division.
But don’t kid yourself that they’re apples and oranges, the difference is hating one of them is a hill you’ve decided to die on whatever facts get put in-front of you.
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