Neil Warnock surpasses all my Expectations

[Marvanelli]

We’ve discussed this and I’ve told you this over and over again. Unlike you I’m capable of answering simple questions, where as you simply deflect and ask questions yourself.

You seem to think players come to a club and instantly perform well. Some do, some don’t. When McNair got a chance under Pulis he was often poor, Saville was good in flashes. Given time they’ve become good players, after you previously described them as “absolute dross”.

“ Saville was like a lost lamb under Pulis. He didn’t know where he was playing half the time. Now under Pulis he’s looking pretty good. He’s actually looking like the player we saw at Millwall and is now chipping in with goals.”

That statement is the perfect example of your detachment from basic facts and reality. He spent most of that season playing central midfield or on the left, and chipped in with 4 goals

Do you finally accept that you were wrong that “literally anybody” could do a better job than Pulis and he wasn’t a disaster that set us back years?

Both McNair and Saville were poor under Tony. Fast forward a year or so and under a different manager they’ve improved tenfold.

That’s purely down to man-management.

Warnock proving yet again why he’s head and shoulders a better manager than Pulis in this division.

For example what Warnock has done to Dijksteel compared to him under Woodgate is near on a miracle.

And I still stand by, Pulis set us back years. He left us with the most unbalanced squad I’ve ever seen. He left us with very little pace and attacking threat. He left us with a load of old dead wood. And he also spent the very little money we had left very unwisely, all whilst playing the worst branded football we’ve seen in a long time.

‘I’d take anyone over Pulis. Literally anyone’ - it’s a figure of speech.

Was I glad we parted ways? Damn right. He should have been binned the moment the final whistle was blown at Villa Park in that play off semi final debacle.

Was Woodgate the right man to take over? At the time it was a huge huge risk. In hindsight it was definitely not the right choice.

Does that mean getting shot of Pulis was the wrong choice? No. It meant Gibson failed in his recruitment yet again with hiring Woodgate.

Finally, Gibson, with Warnock, he’s got a proper manager who knows what he’s doing.

 

[newyddion]

Both McNair and Saville were poor under Tony. Fast forward a year or so and under a different manager they’ve improved tenfold.

That’s purely down to man-management.

Warnock proving yet again why he’s head and shoulders a better manager than Pulis in this division.

For example what Warnock has done to Dijksteel compared to him under Woodgate is near on a miracle.

And I still stand by, Pulis set us back years. He left us with the most unbalanced squad I’ve ever seen. He left us with very little pace and attacking threat. He left us with a load of old dead wood. And he also spent the very little money we had left very unwisely, all whilst playing the worst branded football we’ve seen in a long time.

‘I’d take anyone over Pulis. Literally anyone’ - it’s a figure of speech.

Was I glad we parted ways? Damn right. He should have been binned the moment the final whistle was blown at Villa Park in that play off semi final debacle.

Was Woodgate the right man to take over? At the time it was a huge huge risk. In hindsight it was definitely not the right choice.

Does that mean getting shot of Pulis was the wrong choice? No. It meant Gibson failed in his recruitment yet again with hiring Woodgate.

Finally, Gibson, with Warnock, he’s got a proper manager who knows what he’s doing.

Who were we (the fans) looking at over Woodgate?
Phillip Cocu/Cowley Brothers.. not much in it really. I think he did a decent job of treading water for buttons with some absolute duffers in the squad.

 

[Redwurzel]

Woody wasn't ready we all know it, but he was very passionate and one of us, so we kept quiet and didn't critise him. Steve Gibson was at fault for apoointing him. If SG appointed me I would take the job, but it doesn't mean it was right.

I think having a limited squad has forced NW and his managerial team to get the best of what he has got. He is very good at picking the right thing to say at the right time and getting the players to play as team and work hard.

 

[Pog]

Both McNair and Saville were poor under Tony. Fast forward a year or so and under a different manager they’ve improved tenfold.

That’s purely down to man-management.

Warnock proving yet again why he’s head and shoulders a better manager than Pulis in this division.

For example what Warnock has done to Dijksteel compared to him under Woodgate is near on a miracle.

And I still stand by, Pulis set us back years. He left us with the most unbalanced squad I’ve ever seen. He left us with very little pace and attacking threat. He left us with a load of old dead wood. And he also spent the very little money we had left very unwisely, all whilst playing the worst branded football we’ve seen in a long time.

‘I’d take anyone over Pulis. Literally anyone’ - it’s a figure of speech.

Was I glad we parted ways? Damn right. He should have been binned the moment the final whistle was blown at Villa Park in that play off semi final debacle.

Was Woodgate the right man to take over? At the time it was a huge huge risk. In hindsight it was definitely not the right choice.

Does that mean getting shot of Pulis was the wrong choice? No. It meant Gibson failed in his recruitment yet again with hiring Woodgate.

Finally, Gibson, with Warnock, he’s got a proper manager who knows what he’s doing.

You highlight Djiksteel as an example of man management and improving a player yet fail to mention Tony Pulis did just that with Adama Traore.

As we’ve established he didn’t leave us with any dead wood, Flint was sold for decent money and the remaining signings under him are important players this season.

It’s a simple yes or no:

Do you finally accept that you were wrong that “literally anybody” could do a better job than Pulis and he wasn’t a disaster that set us back years?

 

[bear66]

You highlight Djiksteel as an example of man management and improving a player yet fail to mention Tony Pulis did just that with Adama Traore.

As we’ve established he didn’t leave us with any dead wood, Flint was sold for decent money and the remaining signings under him are important players this season.

It’s a simple yes or no:

Do you finally accept that you were wrong that “literally anybody” could do a better job than Pulis and he wasn’t a disaster that set us back years?

I don't think he improved Traore. Traore has skills that could have been much better utilised in our team if we had left sided attack options to keep the opposition guessing and give Traore more options for expressing his skills. Wolves took him on a stage by doing just that.

 

[Pog]

I don't think he improved Traore. Traore has skills that could have been much better utilised in our team if we had left sided attack options to keep the opposition guessing and give Traore more options for expressing his skills. Wolves took him on a stage by doing just that.

This is another gem that the Anti-Pulis lot trip themselves over time and time again.

Adama Traore has publicly stated Pulis helped him and improved him as a player.

Boro fans “No he didn’t”

 

[bear66]

This is another gem that the Anti-Pulis lot trip themselves over time and time again.

Adama Traore has publicly stated Pulis helped him and improved him as a player.

Boro fans “No he didn’t”

No it isn't. It's a valid observation of how limited Pulis was in developing an out. Having beaten three people, there was always a fourth. Also, Traore rarely had anyone coming in at the far post to chip the ball to, something he's excelled at since leaving us.

 

[Pog]

No it isn't. It's a valid observation of how limited Pulis was in developing an out. Having beaten three people, there was always a fourth. Also, Traore rarely had anyone coming in at the far post to chip the ball to, something he's excelled at since leaving us.

It took literally a minute to Google to find a direct quote.

 

[Raul]

I think both sides of the argument here make fair points

Pulis did finish 6th and 7th which isn’t bad in this incredibly difficult division to predict or get consistency

Watching Adama under Pulis is probably the most excited I have ever been watching a Boro player, I couldn’t believe how good he was for us and loved every minute! And Pulis deserves credit for his performances

But the criticism of Pulis is also fair, he left us with a worse squad than when he took over

The football wasn’t great

Most importantly it’s the way they handle the media, Warnock is better at this than Pulis and always has been

I love Warnock, he has done an incredibly job and will end up as a the best manager we have had since Steve Mac

On to the next game!!!!

 

[Marvanelli]

As we’ve established he didn’t leave us with any dead wood, Flint was sold for decent money and the remaining signings under him are important players this season.

It’s a simple yes or no:

Do you finally accept that you were wrong that “literally anybody” could do a better job than Pulis and he wasn’t a disaster that set us back years?

He left a squad far far worse than one he inherited.

No pace out wide. No decent GK. No experience CB. Threadbare up top. Need I go on?

It was the most unbalanced squad in years. That included dead wood in the likes of Gestede, Downing. Funny how Warnock literally took 5 minutes to give Gestede his packing bags? The same bloke Pulis often chose to play up top ahead of Bamford....even in his biggest game for us, he gave Gestede more minutes up top against Villa than Bamford! Outrageous.

Care to comment on that decision by Pulis? To only give our best striker the best part of 5 minutes up top in a game we needed to win?

'Do you finally accept that you were wrong that “literally anybody” could do a better job than Pulis and he wasn’t a disaster that set us back years?'

I think I've answered this already.

Was he binned correctly? Yes

Does that mean Krusty the Clown would do a better job? - To be fair...it wouldn't shock me!

Oh and he was definitely a disaster that set us back years....take now for example. We're only just getting sorted both on and off the field after his dreadful time as manager.

Do you think the squad he left was better than the squad he inherited?

 

[Pog]

'Do you finally accept that you were wrong that “literally anybody” could do a better job than Pulis and he wasn’t a disaster that set us back years?'

I think I've answered this already.

Was he binned correctly? Yes

Does that mean Krusty the Clown would do a better job? - To be fair...it wouldn't shock me!

Oh and he was definitely a disaster that set us back years....take now for example. We're only just getting sorted both on and off the field after his dreadful time as manager.

Do you think the squad he left was better than the squad he inherited?

No you haven’t - it’s Yes or No

Give me specific and measurable examples (objective, not subjective) as to how it was a disaster and we’ve been set back years.

 

[InglebyUTB]

He left a squad far far worse than one he inherited.

No pace out wide. No decent GK. No experience CB. Threadbare up top. Need I go on?

Wow this guy is all over the place.

You don't think Randolph was a decent keeper? Ayala and Shotton no experienced centre-backs? Assombalonga , Fletcher and Gestede a threadbare in attack?

You've lost the plot

 

[Pog]

Wow this guy is all over the place.

You don't think Randolph was a decent keeper? Ayala and Shotton no experienced centre-backs? Assombalonga , Fletcher and Gestede a threadbare in attack?

You've lost the plot

That’s what he does. Desperately throws everything he can at the wall hoping and praying something ANYTHING sticks.

None of it stands upto any scrutiny or logic, he’s completely blinded by emotional hatred of a man he’s never met.

It’s rather amusing.

 

[Marvanelli]

No you haven’t - it’s Yes or No

Give me specific and measurable examples (not opinions) as to how it was a disaster and we’ve been set back years.

'Do you think the squad he left was better than the squad he inherited?'

Another question dodged.....you're ever so good at that aren't you? Dodging questions you don't like because they don't fit your agenda.

You do realise 'literally anybody' is a figure of speech?

Do I honestly think my 2 year old daughter could do a better job? Of course not....then again, I could be wrong!

And yes has set us back years.....he spent the very little money we had left on players we didn't need at the time....money which could have been spent a lot more wisely.

So he's spent most of the remaining money we had unwisely on players we didn't necessarily need at the time.
He left us with one of the most unbalanced squad we've seen in years.
He left us with a very aging defence, very little width, plenty of CMs, no FBs....need I go on?

Even now, I bet if you give Warnock £12m/£13m...he wouldn't have Saville & McNair in his squad and he'd probably choose to use that money elsewhere....and probably a lot more wisely.

 

[Marvanelli]

Wow this guy is all over the place.

You don't think Randolph was a decent keeper? Ayala and Shotton no experienced centre-backs? Assombalonga , Fletcher and Gestede a threadbare in attack?

You've lost the plot

Randolph was sold 6 months later. I admit that! Apologies.

However, Ayala & Shotton at CB? Ayala who lives on the treatment table and please remind me where Shotton is now?

Britt/Fletcher/Gestede.....Fletcher? The same bloke who was shunted to Sunderland and was low on confidence....and Gestede? Where is he now?

And you don't think that was a threadbare attack? Have a word.

 

[Colin Warnek]

I don't think he improved Traore. Traore has skills that could have been much better utilised in our team if we had left sided attack options to keep the opposition guessing and give Traore more options for expressing his skills. Wolves took him on a stage by doing just that.

That’s a very unfair statement towards Pulis. His main achievement was putting Traore as our focal point - something Karanka or that charlatan Monk couldn’t recognise (less said about Agnew the better). Of course he improved his performances by giving him licence. He couldnt get off the bench for AK and Monk.

 

[Marvanelli]

Aii. You can't deny he improved Traore.

The fact he wasn't utilised under Monk or prior to Monk was a great shame.

However, Nuno took him to a whole new level last season.

 

[Colin Warnek]

Aii. You can't deny he improved Traore.

The fact he wasn't utilised under Monk or prior to Monk was a great shame.

However, Nuno took him to a whole new level last season.

Main thing Nuno taught him was how to put in a good cross - he put a few absolute peaches on Jimenez’s head. Didn’t see him cross many good balls for us. Defenders can’t live with his pace and power at whatever level though.

 

[bear66]

Main thing Nuno taught him was how to put in a good cross - he put a few absolute peaches on Jimenez’s head. Didn’t see him cross many good balls for us. Defenders can’t live with his pace and power at whatever level though.

Something we were, and still are to some extent, crying out for.

 

[Pog]

'Do you think the squad he left was better than the squad he inherited?'

As I pointed out several posts ago, I don’t need waffle or for you to answer the question by asking our own question. I just need a simple answer to the one I’ve asked.

Do you finally accept that you were wrong that “literally anybody” could do a better job than Pulis and he wasn’t a disaster that set us back years?

Yes or No?

I can sense the inner turmoil and pain coming to terms with this is causing you, don’t worry you’re almost there though.

Take a deep breath, and make that final step and just admit you went too far in your assessment of Pulis. It wasn’t a success but nor was it disaster you’ve spent years telling us that it was.