The problem with this, is he hasn't done either now has he? Surely nobody really thinks the changes yesterday will have some great reducing effect on the spread of the virus. For that to work he should have made these changes weeks ago. Instead he's timed this announcement after one last Saturday of christmas shopping, and after Parliament's gone out of session. Less scrutiny for him, allowed this new variant a couple of weeks to spread round London and then mashed the next few days worth of train travelling people in to the stations all at once. Classic dopey Boris.
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The problem with this, is he hasn't done either now has he? Surely nobody really thinks the changes yesterday will have some great reducing effect on the spread of the virus. For that to work he should have made these changes weeks ago. Instead he's timed this announcement after one last Saturday of christmas shopping, and after Parliament's gone out of session. Less scrutiny for him, allowed this new variant a couple of weeks to spread round London and then mashed the next few days worth of train travelling people in to the stations all at once. Classic dopey Boris.
Norfolkred1
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All he has done is let people in the South leave and impregnate the rest of the Country. He should have closed all transport links shortly before announcing the Tier 4 call. Obviously the Government did not learn from previous lockdowns.
HolgateCorner
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I don’t find it funny at all, this ridiculous social engineering we have seen in the last thirty years towards stuffing as many people into overcrowded, congested, expensive, dirty high rise cities is part of the reason we are in such a mess with this virus. And if you are a sensitive soul full of Teesside chip rubbish, you can substitute New York, Tokyo, Mexico City, Sau Paulo....etc etc as you wish.
SmallTown
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I find it hilarious. I'm a big city kind of guy and love living in London. There aren't many places I'd change it for and must I would are also big cities. It honestly amuses me when the Teesside chip creates this dystopia version of London that doesn't , even slightly, tie in with my experience of living here.
SmallTown
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Again, I totally agree that the call is a day late and a dollar short. But it is better then the complete opposite that he said mid week.
HolgateCorner
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...hilarious....big city kind of guy.....blah, blah, blah.....dystopia version....Teesside chip....blah, blah....
I’m sure you are a decent bloke deep down but can I give you a bit of life advice and respectfully suggest you take your head out of your own backside.
SmallTown
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Can I respectfully suggest you don’t hold such a strong and outdated view about big cities? You can not like them without being so over the top and negative
Borobuddah
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I got lucky, my daughter arrived at KX from Edinburgh at 5pm last night, my son came home on Wednesday evening from Liverpool. We can enjoy time together.
If she hadn’t traveled yesterday, she wouldn’t have made it at all.
If she hadn’t traveled yesterday, she wouldn’t have made it at all.
HolgateCorner
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I’ve lived in London, I know what it’s about and I know why people live there and in other big cities around the world but I think it’s an unnatural way to live. That was the real point of my original post, it wasn’t meant as any criticism of Londoners or other big city dwellers. People are just people wherever they live.
coluka
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Oh where to begin with this comment
Firstly not seen it described it as a mental health pandemic. I am sure everyones mental health has been affected, but everyday life does that too, Covid pandemic or not. Now I accept it is hard when people haven’t seen loved ones for months, maybe only speaking on a phone or via Skype etc. some not even that. It is tragic, of course it really is. However, you do not solve a mental health crisis by adding to another instead, by inadvertently spreading the virus. 30% spread the virus without knowingly having any symptoms.... a significant factor, ignorance is no defence.
It is true we do not know the reasons why the large numbers of people were travelling, but jeez, I am sure most were not travelling because their relatives were either sick or dying at that moment in time. Some people are happy to rightly slag of Government advisers who break a rule, but defend joe publics right en masse for doing the same. Two wrongs never make a right. The thing is the volume of numbers. Even if only 5% extra old or sick die as a result of this than would otherwise be the case, does that justify the madness? Not in my book. Some of those people will have been selfish in the extreme, some a little selfish and a small few selfish with justifiable cause.
If society continues to do as it pleases and folk fail to respect the health of themselves, their fellow travellers and their own families, then we will reap what we sow. Fit and healthy people will have travelled, some with covid will have also, a proportion of the fit and healthy will have no doubt been infected and in time will infect others they come across all over the UK, the spread is rising R rate 1.5 is what it is estimated at. That is big, and the knock on effect on ill people desperate for treatment, screening, operations, chemo etc will inadvertently be significant and result in secondary deaths through non covid matters that could and might have been otherwise treated. Sorry, but that is SELFISH in not addressing the wider protection of the NHS. It is NOT just about covid 19, It is about so very much more IMHO.
Sadly, many wont notice these consequences, many wont see or appreciate the link, but it is there to see for those that are willing to understand the bigger, wider picture. Speak to an oncologist, a nurse, a GP, a family in need before you defend a persons right to ignore a temporarily restricted life for another few months lack of freedoms! How would everyone feel right now if their loved ones were awaiting cancer screening, chemo or operations that could possibly save their lives but are fearful that they will get delayed and that delay reduces their survival rates as every days delay ticks by. Still, so long as ‘I’m alright Jack and my personal loved ones are unaffected’ eh? People wont meet the unlucky ones anyway though, they rarely do !!!
1finny
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I know 3 consultants at different hospitals - they don’t agree - one of them is extremely vocal about people’s rights.
A GP was in BBC last week and was pushed really hard to talk ‘up’ the current situation.
She was very measured and defended some of the actions of the public.
Ive heard others take a diametrically opposed view.
Medics are the same as us and the scientists. They hold different views - to imply they all agree is disingenuous.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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It isn't about not seeing loved ones for a month or two. It's about not seeing anyone at all for nine months. Day after day with no human interaction whatsoever. It's been tricky for me without any previous mental health problems. I can't imagine what it is like for someone with severe depression.Oh where to begin with this comment
Firstly not seen it described it as a mental health pandemic. I am sure everyones mental health has been affected, but everyday life does that too, Covid pandemic or not. Now I accept it is hard when people haven’t seen loved ones for months, maybe only speaking on a phone or via Skype etc. some not even that. It is tragic, of course it really is. However, you do not solve a mental health crisis by adding to another instead, by inadvertently spreading the virus. 30% spread the virus without knowingly having any symptoms.... a significant factor, ignorance is no defence.
It is true we do not know the reasons why the large numbers of people were travelling, but jeez, I am sure most were not travelling because their relatives were either sick or dying at that moment in time. Some people are happy to rightly slag of Government advisers who break a rule, but defend joe publics right en masse for doing the same. Two wrongs never make a right. The thing is the volume of numbers. Even if only 5% extra old or sick die as a result of this than would otherwise be the case, does that justify the madness? Not in my book. Some of those people will have been selfish in the extreme, some a little selfish and a small few selfish with justifiable cause.
If society continues to do as it pleases and folk fail to respect the health of themselves, their fellow travellers and their own families, then we will reap what we sow. Fit and healthy people will have travelled, some with covid will have also, a proportion of the fit and healthy will have no doubt been infected and in time will infect others they come across all over the UK, the spread is rising R rate 1.5 is what it is estimated at. That is big, and the knock on effect on ill people desperate for treatment, screening, operations, chemo etc will inadvertently be significant and result in secondary deaths through non covid matters that could and might have been otherwise treated. Sorry, but that is SELFISH in not addressing the wider protection of the NHS. It is NOT just about covid 19, It is about so very much more IMHO.
Sadly, many wont notice these consequences, many wont see or appreciate the link, but it is there to see for those that are willing to understand the bigger, wider picture. Speak to an oncologist, a nurse, a GP, a family in need before you defend a persons right to ignore a temporarily restricted life for another few months lack of freedoms! How would everyone feel right now if their loved ones were awaiting cancer screening, chemo or operations that could possibly save their lives but are fearful that they will get delayed and that delay reduces their survival rates as every days delay ticks by. Still, so long as ‘I’m alright Jack and my personal loved ones are unaffected’ eh? People wont meet the unlucky ones anyway though, they rarely do !!!
Just to repeat. It is about not seeing anyone at all. No human contact. For nine months. Some of yous just don't have a F***ing clue. Bunch of holier than thou ****..
weststandwally
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My daughter came home from London on Friday evening after her negative covid test taken on Wednesday.
Joy_Division_Oven_Gloves
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The minute they reopened the schools it was just a matter of time - never mind the minority not wearing masks. Schools needed to open but alongside an effective T&T system and mass testing (which they announced on the day schools broke up)
1finny
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But
Dido said she couldn’t have predicted the surge following schools opening and the start of Uni
and Williamson just last week said there was no evidence that Schools are causing a surge in cases.
it’s as if they make things up
coluka
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I can only speak from my experience and 2 families I know of that are awaiting treatment, I am sure some will hold different views. People are people, it depends what hat they wear personally. Of course people rights are important, however, sometimes the price of principles isn’t always worth paying, particularly in terms of life and death. I know an oncologist, he feels his area of expertise and his patients are the unfortunate victims of the law of unintended consequences. He tells me the 2 week rule can be up to 4 weeks. A telephone appointment is put into the system to meet the 2 week target then normality kicks in from that. Others have a longer delay built in. He tells me GP’s have had rules tightened on such referrals. Routine referrals are allegedly just logged on a computer and wont be seen unless a GP changes the referral to urgent or the 2 week suspected cancer I know a paramedic. He tells me cancer patients are getting a raw deal. A nurse has said to me that people are dying that might have lived but for delays now built into the system.
We all hold views and politicians have to balance our right to rights and Drs our right to treatment all has consequences, good and bad.