Kieran Scott

Facts - Last season we finished 4th, our highest position since 2016 and we did it at the same time as generating more in fees received than fees paid to the tune of around £12.5m and without parachute payments. We scored more league goals than I ever can remember (back to 1970) .

More subjective bit - It wasn't a perfect season, but one of our best. The Sporting Director appointed in September 2021 has to take some credit for that. I have contributed, because I felt the tone of the thread was that Scott was useless which I have to disagree with. I would give him about 7 to date with us - with 5 to 6 being average out of 10. I don't know Norwich as well, but it appears he did a reasonable job there evidence 2 promotions in 3 years.
 
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Facts - Last season we finished 4th, our highest position since 2016 and we did it at the same time as generating more in fees received than fees paid to the tune of around £12.5m and without parachute payments. We scored more league goals than I ever can remember (back to 1970) .

More subjective bit - It wasn't a perfect season, but one of our best. The Sporting Director appointed in September 2021 has to take some credit for that. I have contributed, because I felt the tone of the thread was that Scott was useless which I have to disagree with. I would give him about 7 to date with us - with 5 to 6 being average out of 10. I don't know Norwich as well, but it appears it did a reasonable job there evidence 2 promotions in 3 years.
Personally speaking, there is a case to say Norwich had 2 promotions in 3 years and Boro finished 4th last season despite Scott, not because of him. When you drill down into the likelihood of where the actual signings came via, for Norwich, you can credit Buendia and Pukki. Only Buendia generated significant profit (the model), I’d credit their academy people more. Sometimes the facts really do speak for themselves, his title was head of recruitment at Norwich, his recruitment at Boro has not generated a likely Buendia as of yet.

Danksy has been credited by both Archer and Ramsey as the reason they chose Boro, Akpom was already here, so Giles loan, Forss buy. Our only potential saleable asset for (maybe) a large profit is Hackney an academy product. Of course, it is still early doors and things may change, we all want that to be the case, Gibson needs it to be. The one I have liked the most is the player I’ve seen the least of in truth, Gilbert. The next 6 games will be telling as to the direction our season is heading.
 
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Coluka - there was talk last Summer of Akpom leaving, Wilder did not seem interested in him, But he stayed. Its likely Scott decided to keep him. His job is to trade players and he decided not to trade Akpom. I am sure people will say it was all Carrick who boosted Akpom, if it was who recruited Carrick? Sorry there are too many things that the SD role gets involved in to say he did not impact the finshing position in a positive way.

With the other players the bottom line is the football director has a big say on who stays and who comes. If he didn't want Archer and Ramsay I am pretty sure they would not have come.

I do get the feeling some people are blaming Scott for our poor start, but when we do well he gets no credit.

To me the poor start should start with players not fulfilling their potential and how they have been trained, prepared, organised and motivated.
 
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As others have pointed out, Scott is not here as head of recruitment. He's here as head of football. His job is (supposed to be) to oversee the football side of the club while Bausor oversees the financial side.

Scott had as much experience as a head of football as Carrick had of managing a team. Gibson loves to appoint people to their first job in that role.

As far as I can tell, Scott's "master plan" is to task the recruitment team with finding overlooked and young players who can be improved by playing for the first team while using the bare minimum of loans and proven championship players to ensure that there is a sound foundation. What Scott is not doing is going out and scouting the players himself. He is reliant on the scouts just as Carrick is. (No quotes from Carrick about sending Woody out to scout a match etc.)

Scott is on record as saying back in January that with Carrick his "job starts now." There were some rumours that he had reviewed some of the potential signings in the summer 21 window but he was officially prevented from working with us until the window ended.

So far his "masterplan" signings aren't encouraging. Factoring out loans, proven Championship players and older free signings you can say his masterplan signings appear to be:

Jan 22: Boyd Munce, McGree.
Summer 22: Forss, Hoppe, (Clarke maybe but he was probably the result of Wilder's obsession with a LCB)
Jan 23: Barlaser
Summer 23: Lath, Engel, Gilbert, Silvera, Rogers, RVDB, Bangura
There have also been a bunch of U21 buys such as Conteh, Nkrumah and Agyemang.

McGree and Forss have been hits. Boyd Munce, Hoppe and Barlaser have been misses. Summer 23 is too early to say; the chaotic start to the season has probably made them look worse than they are.

Our overseas recruitment has been appalling since relegation but Scott has gone all-in on it which means he believes that the new people in place have better knowledge than the old ones.
 
Coluka - there was talk last Summer of Akpom leaving, Wilder did not seem interested in him, But he stayed. Its likely Scott decided to keep him. His job is to trade players and he decided not to trade Akpom. I am sure people will say it was all Carrick who boosted Akpom, if it was who recruited Carrick? Sorry there are too many things that the SD role gets involved in to say he did not impact the finshing position in a posisitive way.

With the other players the bottom line is the football director has a big say on who stays and who comes. If he didn't want Archer and Ramsay I am pretty sure they would not have come.

I do get the feeling some people are blaming Scott for our poor start, but when we do well he gets no credit.

To me the poor start should start with players not fulfilling their potential and how they have been trained, prepared, organised and motivated.
I agree Wilder was not interested in him and given his previous form we all agreed at that time. You believe Scott decided to keep him, well he was under contract and nobody was willing to buy him or loan him for an acceptable fee. He was training with the under 21’s at that time and reportedly told to find himself a new club. That isn’t the actions of a Head of Football wanting to keep Akpom, it is a case of having no choice but to do so. Thankfully, not through excellent planning on Scotts part, it worked out.

Carrick himself was recruited as a result of a conversation between Southgate and Gibson and Gibson spending time and effort to pursue Carrick, no doubt with some involvement from Scott. That involvement with Southgate was reported. I think you are giving Scott too much credit on him and not accepting Steve Gibson is occasionally seemingly hands on from time to time. Carrick confirmed he had a meeting with him recently.

As for Archer and Ramsey, of course he would want them, but they both said they chose Boro over other options as Danksy was well known to them amongst other things no doubt. You can not just assume it was initiated by Scott the credit may be due to Danksy himself as it was not that long before they came Danks was appointed (1 December). You don’t need to make a big leap to see the link, he will have had some insider knowledge of their potential availability and be seen by Villa as a trusted coach.

Of course coaching comes into things and Carrick acknowledges his responsibility in that area. However, you have to work out what level they are at and start from there, they were never going to be Championship ready, several of us made that point before a ball was kicked in anger. It was reported after the Portuguese 6 we were looking at adding proven quality to back that up. We have signed Engel, Lath, O’Brien, Greenwood and Bangura since. Only O’Brien is of known proven quality, the others were presumably assessed and thought to meet the criteria, Lath and Engel look somewhat raw to say the least Greenwood we haven’t seen enough of clearly, Bangura similar.

It has been claimed by one poster on here that someone in recruitment has left the club relating to Engel’s signing as he does not match the level assessed at. I have no idea if that is true or bunkum. Scott oversees recruitment and has the set up in place he is responsible for. If the signings prove to be of a below standard, you hold the coach responsible for not improving them, I hold the Head of the recruitment model responsible if the players can’t operate at the level needed by the coach. Now it is all very premature still there is time for levels to rise and one day hopefully take off. We are in the infancy of the intake, but football is a results business and I would expect those overseeing recruitment to have done their homework. 6 games in it looks a little flaky to say the least. I expect us to win tonight as I see Wednesdays as a soon to be league one team again at present. We will have a much clearer view come the next international break and I would hope we’d be sat with around 9-12 points by then and still in the cup. If so, then we are making some headway, if not, then the issues are indeed significant.
 
Again, as I’ve said a few times on here over the past few weeks and months - how can people be so sure of who does what within the club without working there themselves? I especially mean in terms of appointments and signings.

This is Gary Gill 2.0 IMO. If a player doesn’t work out then Gill signed him. If the player is good it was Mowbray’s special eye for a player. We used to have this all the time.

Carrick is appointed Boro manager or head coach but that was… Southgate and Gibson. Engel? Scott. Or the bloke who got sacked for scouting him. There’s absolutely no basis for that story at the moment but it does sound good. If Engel turns out to be good, it’ll almost certainly be the coach who gets the credit.

Ramsey and Archer? That was Danks. Who appointed Danks though? *bales of hay circle past*

Like when Woodgate was absolutely slaughtered on here for signing Bola and Dijksteel. When Warnock came in and got a tune out of them, the first part was ignored. The part where they’d been actually identified and scouted properly.

Steffen? That was purely Wilder because big clubs trust him with ‘keepers after what he did with Henderson. It sounds good but it’s just pure conjecture. Tommy Smith was a sh*t signing by a desperate club until he wasn’t. Lenihan was a Wilder signing. That one is obvious.

Surely everyone knows by now that almost every club in the top two divisions does transfers as a collective, involving numerous people and staff and using lots of different information and data. They have to reach an agreement as a collective.

The club has gone from 17th to 10th to 7th to 4th in four consecutive years. Without parachute payments. Does anyone get any credit for that? Apart from Carrick. How does that happen when you have a chairman who has lost his ambition, a chief executive and head of football who are both apparently - according to people on here - either grossly incompetent or wildly under-qualified and a squad full of two-bob sh*t footballers and Hayden Hackney, somehow put together by an assortment of idiots only in position because they’re too frightened to say no to Kim Jong Gibson?

People, and this is just my opinion, just go way too early on stuff. On plans, players, staff, transfers. Once people dig in it’s hard to come back. I do it myself. It’s still only the middle of September by the way.

I cannot wait for this match to kick off tonight. PLEASE let the mighty Boro win FFS.
 
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Col - sounds like you have a very low opinion of Scott.
Not as low as Indeedio!

I guess he may well be judged on how the appointment of Carrick and this summer's signings pan out. Only Gibson will know and only he will pull the trigger or not???
 
It was announced that Scott was leaving g Norwich to join Boro on 2/8/21 - It was rumoured prior to this and I believe he was on gardening leave during the summer 2021 transfer window.

The first player on the list of players produced by indeedido still at Norwich is Grant Hanley - described as a ‘plodder’

So this ‘plodder’ has won 2 x promotions with Norwich - in one of the promotion seasons (Norwich were champions) he appeared in 42 matches and came 2nd in the supporters player of the year behind Buendia.

He also has made a number appearances in Premier League and Scotland.

He has also extended his contract at Norwich - Hopefully we can sign a few ‘Plodders’ like this in the near future.

I won’t bother researching the nothing players but out of interest are the better or worse than a plodder??
 
Nothing player = Kenny McLean - made over 30 appearances each of the last four seasons which included 68 premier league appearances and a promotion winning season - surely he cannot of been worth £200,000 English pounds!!
 
Give over with what -

Are you saying those dates are wrong?

So is that your definition of a plodder and a nothing player? and I have only looked at 2 from one window

It’s easy to spin statistics to suit an agenda.

I don’t know if Scott will be successful or not - I know in the previous years overall the club were on the whole poor in the transfer market
 
Give over with what -

Are you saying those dates are wrong?

So is that your definition of a plodder and a nothing player? and I have only looked at 2 from one window

It’s easy to spin statistics to suit an agenda.

I don’t know if Scott will be successful or not - I know in the previous years overall the club were on the whole poor in the transfer market
I'm not spinning anything.
43 players signed in 5 seasons.
3 players a profit made.
Hell of a prototype for our brave new model.

If you are clutching at Grant Hanley then deary deary me.

ALL the recruitment team work for Scott, he can not say he is not involved in recruitment to suit him.
 
We don't have the money to employ “chancers”
Neil Bausor and Steve Gibson made a good choice in taking on Scott. Obviously did their research and due diligence.
We haven't chucked £M`s at players, yet teams like Villa come sniffing at one of our players, and are offering to buy him. Considering the last club he played for was Blackpool, I don't imagine we paid millions £ for him. Good trading (y) We don't know half.
 
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