Kieran Scott

indeedido said:
We don't score top 6 goals - 8 clubs have more goals.
We don't restrict goals scored - 14 clubs have conceded less.
Our GD is virually flat and exactly in keeping with our 11th place.

We have a very big squad before even looking at youngsters.

It is undoubtedly true that we are only 4 points off the play offs (given our poor GD).

Last season after 28 matches on Jan 27th, we were 6th in the table, 2 points behind the team in 3rd place, Watford and 15 points behind 2nd place Sheff U.
We had just won 3 out of 4 and had taken 29 points from the last 14 matches. We had momentum.
We went on to get 20 points in the next 10 matches from then and continued that momentum scoring progressively more goals. We took 49 points from that 24 match run.

This season we do not have momentum and look nothing like mounting a challenge.

Injuries have been an issue, so too losing players to international duty.
But our squad has lots of numbers. They're just not top 6 quality.
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I don’t buy that we have a big squad, it’s no bigger than other teams and in fact we have a lot of inexperienced players now being relied on.

Prior to January we had just 7 players who have played 120 games at championship level or higher (about 3 seasons experience).

Of those :

Smith, McNair, Lenihan and O’Brien have barely been fit

Dieng and Howson have had recent injuries

Fry is the only one not to have had an issue

We’ve had to overly rely on inexperienced kids and projects stepping up to this level.

We have a squad thin on experience but they’re getting miles in the tank which will help in the future
 
BoroMart said:
The goals conceded have been far more on the counter than failing to beat the press when playing out from the back.

Teams hit out left flank when we lose it high up the pitch and exploit the lack of pace and cover in that area. That’s probably the biggest single source of goals.

We’ve also conceded a lot from the edge of the box, a lot more than normal, which indicates a lack of CDM closing down
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We massively miss Akpom.
The goals are obvious, but its is also:
1. His pressing especially when with Archer. He was vital in making teams struggle to get out. The players around him up front were better.
2. His ability to take the ball, turn with it and move forward, with the vision to involve other players set us on our way so often. He made players behind him look better than they were.

Take Akpom, Archer and Ramsey out of the team and leave Forss out/see him injured sees us immeasurably weaker.
The forward replacements are nowhere near as good, while further back we simply aren't and weren't very good.
We don't score enough and we concede even more.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
I agree, which must bring into question the training and match prep, surely there is more to this than just being extremely unlucky?
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Interesting question, but I would guess we do the same as last season when we typically had 2 or 3 players out with injuries at any one time. While now its 9 or 10. The cup run has taken out a good few this season, 2 at home to Chelsea and 3 at Port Vale.
 
BoroMart said:
I don’t buy that we have a big squad, it’s no bigger than other teams and in fact we have a lot of inexperienced players now being relied on.

Prior to January we had just 7 players who have played 120 games at championship level or higher (about 3 seasons experience).

Of those :

Smith, McNair, Lenihan and O’Brien have barely been fit

Dieng and Howson have had recent injuries

Fry is the only one not to have had an issue

We’ve had to overly rely on inexperienced kids and projects stepping up to this level.

We have a squad thin on experience but they’re getting miles in the tank which will help in the future
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The Recruitment team have assembled this squad as show non the Club web site.

3 Goalkeepers recruited. (Dieng, Rogers, Jones)
2 RB's recruited (Smith,Ayling), 1 already here (Dijksteel) and still the best of the 3.
3 LB's recruited (Engel, Bangura, Thomas)
3 CB's recruited (Lenihan, Clarke, VdB), 2 already here (Fry and McNair).
2 CM's recruited (Barlaser, O'Brien), 2 already here (Howson and Hackney) and still the best 2.
8 AM's/Wingers recruited (McGree, Forss, Silvera, Gilbert, Rogers, Greenwood, Azaz), 2 Crooks and Jones already here.
2 CF recruited (Lath, Hoppe), 1 Coburn already here.

Only 8 players have not been recruited by Scott. (Dijksteel, Fry, McNair, Howson, Hackney, Crooks, Jones and Coburn; 4 of which are academy products)

That is 29 players that are on the club website as first team plus new loanee Thomas making a 30 man squad currently all here.

That ignores a 25 man U21 squad.

The squad is massive and is Scott's.
 
Laughing said:
I don't know who hoofed it but it's likely to be in response to the OP MFCJ, I think, who stated our buys were garbage and we were heading to league 1. In that context, "mid-table" is way above where he expected us to be and a 10million bid on the table for Rogers seems to suggest our buys weren't garbage.

You could also argue that mid-table, whilst roughly true, misses some important context about where we are in the table.
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Not sure there is any roughly about it. We are 11th on merit. Midtable. We could finish higher, we could finish lower. It just seems premature for people to be crowing about their predictions earlier in the season.

Despite what Woody may think the table does not lie.
 
indeedido said:
We massively miss Akpom.
The goals are obvious, but its is also:
1. His pressing especially when with Archer. He was vital in making teams struggle to get out. The players around him up front were better.
2. His ability to take the ball, turn with it and move forward, with the vision to involve other players set us on our way so often. He made players behind him look better than they were.

Take Akpom, Archer and Ramsey out of the team and leave Forss out/see him injured sees us immeasurably weaker.
The forward replacements are nowhere near as good, while further back we simply aren't and weren't very good.
We don't score enough and we concede even more.
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I agree the press doesnt have the quality of last season Coburn and crooks are very poor at it, lath is good, but can’t do it non his own. I’m a big Rogers fan, but he’s still working on this part of his game
 
indeedido said:
The Recruitment team have assembled this squad as show non the Club web site.

3 Goalkeepers recruited. (Dieng, Rogers, Jones)
2 RB's recruited (Smith,Ayling), 1 already here (Dijksteel) and still the best of the 3.
3 LB's recruited (Engel, Bangura, Thomas)
3 CB's recruited (Lenihan, Clarke, VdB), 2 already here (Fry and McNair).
2 CM's recruited (Barlaser, O'Brien), 2 already here (Howson and Hackney) and still the best 2.
8 AM's/Wingers recruited (McGree, Forss, Silvera, Gilbert, Rogers, Greenwood, Azaz), 2 Crooks and Jones already here.
2 CF recruited (Lath, Hoppe), 1 Coburn already here.

Only 8 players have not been recruited by Scott. (Dijksteel, Fry, McNair, Howson, Hackney, Crooks, Jones and Coburn; 4 of which are academy products)

That is 29 players that are on the club website as first team plus new loanee Thomas making a 30 man squad currently all here.

That ignores a 25 man U21 squad.

The squad is massive and is Scott's.
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Big on numbers, small on experience
 
Alzi said:
Not sure there is any roughly about it. We are 11th on merit. Midtable. We could finish higher, we could finish lower. It just seems premature for people to be crowing about their predictions earlier in the season.

Despite what Woody may think the table does not lie.
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Not sure you have addressed my point about why the thread was hoofed. We are not heading to league 1,i think we can agree on that, even if we don't agree whether mid table is ignoring context.
 
The injured players being fit doesn't guarantee more points. We might even have fewer with them. We had them all fit at the beginning of the season and had our worst start to a season in my lifetime.

People should recognise that we have a much weaker squad than last season and this weird thing people have with bringing up how good our recruitment is these days, when there is no evidence that anything has improved, is really strange.

We used to buy average players for big money and now we're buying average players for less money so that has improved but so far this new recruitment model has seen no real positives in the fact that our team hasn't got better, we're still a championship team and our accounts are still showing us making a sizable loss.

I'm not writing the recruitment team off and saying they won't be successful but it's far too early in the process to deem it a success. I do agree that having a clear strategy is a far better approach than the haphazard approach to transfers we've had in the past though.
 
Nano said:
The injured players being fit doesn't guarantee more points. We might even have fewer with them. We had them all fit at the beginning of the season and had our worst start to a season in my lifetime.

People should recognise that we have a much weaker squad than last season and this weird thing people have with bringing up how good our recruitment is these days, when there is no evidence that anything has improved, is really strange.

We used to buy average players for big money and now we're buying average players for less money so that has improved but so far this new recruitment model has seen no real positives in the fact that our team hasn't got better, we're still a championship team and our accounts are still showing us making a sizable loss.

I'm not writing the recruitment team off and saying they won't be successful but it's far too early in the process to deem it a success. I do agree that having a clear strategy is a far better approach than the haphazard approach to transfers we've had in the past though.
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The bit I think you do ignore in your post is that we are, generally recruiting younger players who you would expect to improve as the natural order of things. That is an important point in the current recruitment.
 
That is an important factor. As has been said the basic difference between last season and this is no Akpom, Archer and Ramsey. Thats £45m worth of talent. We obviously dont have the money for that so we buy Lath, Rogers and Silvera. All have potential but need time to develop more consistency. The issue is obviously if we sell Rogers we have to find another Rogers so we never get to fulfill the potential the squad has. People say Azaz is his replacement. There has been nothing remotely similar about Azaz and Rogers so not sure where that comes from.
 
Laughing said:
The bit I think you do ignore in your post is that we are, generally recruiting younger players who you would expect to improve as the natural order of things. That is an important point in the current recruitment.
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That's the big question. So far RVDB and Rogers have been standouts as young players but they are still both a long way from being the finished article.
For most of the rest, the jury's out. The most disappointing signings so far, for me, have been Engel, Bangura and Latte Lath. We spent a fair amount on them. Can't really tell with Bangura but the other two are really struggling to adapt and the jury's out as to whether they'll make the grade.
The thing with young players is it is really hard to see who will make the grade so you expect some to fall by the wayside. Engel, Bangura and Latte Lath aren't young players by any measure (24-25) so it is worrying that they have been inconsistent at best. Lot of mitigating factors so you can't write them off but the clock is ticking.
 
Bruce said:
That's the big question. So far RVDB and Rogers have been standouts as young players but they are still both a long way from being the finished article.
For most of the rest, the jury's out. The most disappointing signings so far, for me, have been Engel, Bangura and Latte Lath. We spent a fair amount on them. Can't really tell with Bangura but the other two are really struggling to adapt and the jury's out as to whether they'll make the grade.
The thing with young players is it is really hard to see who will make the grade so you expect some to fall by the wayside. Engel, Bangura and Latte Lath aren't young players by any measure (24-25) so it is worrying that they have been inconsistent at best. Lot of mitigating factors so you can't write them off but the clock is ticking.
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We may not agree that they are the disappointing signings but let's use those. Do you think they have dropped in value since we purchased them?

If we were to move all 3 on in the summer, which I don't think we should, but if we did we would get at least our money back.

To be fair plenty would say Rogers hadn't made the grade until villa came shopping in our club window.

Some will fall by the wayside, it's the manner of young players. None will mean we lose any real money on, even if the fees are token.
 
Laughing said:
We may not agree that they are the disappointing signings but let's use those. Do you think they have dropped in value since we purchased them?

If we were to move all 3 on in the summer, which I don't think we should, but if we did we would get at least our money back.

To be fair plenty would say Rogers hadn't made the grade until villa came shopping in our club window.

Some will fall by the wayside, it's the manner of young players. None will mean we lose any real money on, even if the fees are token.
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No, I don't think we would get our money back on those 3 combined. In fact I think we would lose a chunk on Lath and lose on Engel. (Bangura was a lot cheaper).
We will lose the entire Hoppe fee, Silvera and Gilbert too for me.
I see us making no gain in Clarke or Barlaser either.
There's no real resale value in Lenihan or Smith, both will eventually leave for no fees, as with Jones (GK)
I don't see much potential profit in any of the signings made, bar Rogers and VdB.
I think McGree could raise a small profit and potentially Forss, but not massive. Who would pay big money for them?
Dieng would at least wash his face.
Azaz is far too early to say.
 
indeedido said:
No, I don't think we would get our money back on those 3 combined. In fact I think we would lose a chunk on Lath and lose on Engel. (Bangura was a lot cheaper).
We will lose the entire Hoppe fee, Silvera and Gilbert too for me.
I see us making no gain in Clarke or Barlaser either.
There's no real resale value in Lenihan or Smith, both will eventually leave for no fees, as with Jones (GK)
I don't see much potential profit in any of the signings made, bar Rogers and VdB.
I think McGree could raise a small profit and potentially Forss, but not massive. Who would pay big money for them?
Dieng would at least wash his face.
Azaz is far too early to say.
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I do like your brazen belief that you can never ever ever be wrong. (I suspect about anything).

So we may have signed Rogers and VDB for a combined fee of £3m, and they are now worth 10 times that, but let’s be honest now, we’re treading water with Scott and we’ll never turn a profit

😅😅
 
AytonMews said:
I do like your brazen belief that you can never ever ever be wrong. (I suspect about anything).

So we may have signed Rogers and VDB for a combined fee of £3m, and they are now worth 10 times that, but let’s be honest now, we’re treading water with Scott and we’ll never turn a profit

😅😅
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What are you prattling on about?
I am passing an opinion, not stating facts.

Let's see what Rogers and VdB actually do and what they actually sell for. I see they are already at £30m in your fantasist's mind.
 
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