If there was a General Election tomorrow...

Laughing said:
Do the green party have rejoin in their manifesto?

To be clear no party can have rejoin in a manifesto because it will take more than one parliament to rejoin.

Specky it really is a silly argument.
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Their policy.
"Whilst the decision to leave the EU cannot be immediately reversed, it is clear, given the damage Brexit is inflicting on our country, that long term we should look to re-join as soon as it is practicable to do so."

It's only silly if you don't regard Brexit as our greatest postwar catastrophe.
 
At the moment I think Labour but that could change as I'm still annoyed we have left the EU so could switch to the Greens.
I like Starmer and couldn't stand Corbyn. Any hint of a switch to the left by Labour would lose my vote. We need to get into power to have any effect on the way the country is run. The only way we will do that is with a Labour party pitching itself in the centre.
 
Scrote said:
So if the party of the left represents the people of the left you won't vote for it? Makes sense.
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If its Left of the party where Corbyn sat then yes. Labour will never get into power with a left wing leader in modern times. Ask Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock or Corbyn. Better still look at Tony Blair who knew that to make a difference you had to get into power first.
 
Blf said:
At the moment I think Labour but that could change as I'm still annoyed we have left the EU so could switch to the Greens.
I like Starmer and couldn't stand Corbyn. Any hint of a switch to the left by Labour would lose my vote. We need to get into power to have any effect on the way the country is run. The only way we will do that is with a Labour party pitching itself in the centre.
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This is completely contradictory. You want Labour to win, but you don't want them to change anything. I am completely opposed to the direction of travel the country has been going for a very long time. Starmer's Labour wants to apply the brakes. I think we should turn around. Seemingly you just want to conserve what we have which I am pretty sure there is already a party that covers that. People of your political persuasion should become members of the Tory party and try to change things from within instead of pretending you aren't a Tory and only voting for Labour when they are being Tories themselves.
 
I was a remain voter but I don’t feel rejoining is our best option now…
Closer links and free movement are essential though but we won’t get the same terms we had before we left..

As for the next GE, I’m in Stockton south, less of a SH than north apparently but I really want rid of thumbs up vickers and his parmo agenda… so hopefully we get a decent Labour candidate that can win the Ingleby notice board over…
 
xxlshirts_fit_all said:
I was a remain voter but I don’t feel rejoining is our best option now…
Closer links and free movement are essential though but we won’t get the same terms we had before we left..

As for the next GE, I’m in Stockton south, less of a SH than north apparently but I really want rid of thumbs up vickers and his parmo agenda… so hopefully we get a decent Labour candidate that can win the Ingleby notice board over…
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I imagine we will get Paul back
 
Nano said:
This is completely contradictory. You want Labour to win, but you don't want them to change anything. I am completely opposed to the direction of travel the country has been going for a very long time. Starmer's Labour wants to apply the brakes. I think we should turn around. Seemingly you just want to conserve what we have which I am pretty sure there is already a party that covers that. People of your political persuasion should become members of the Tory party and try to change things from within instead of pretending you aren't a Tory and only voting for Labour when they are being Tories themselves.
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It's not contradictory at all . If you believe Starmer will be the same as Sunak and the tories it would be but I don't believe that , they are evil selfish scum, that's not how I see Starmer.
 
Blf said:
It's not contradictory at all . If you believe Starmer will be the same as Sunak and the tories it would be but I don't believe that , they are evil selfish scum, that's not how I see Starmer.
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I don't believe he'll be the same as Sunak and the Tories. I believe he will be the same as a centre-right Tory government, like Cameron's. I don't want a centre-right party in charge, whatever colour rosette they are wearing. I want a party that will make things better for the majority, not just the least worst option.
 
Nano said:
I don't believe he'll be the same as Sunak and the Tories. I believe he will be the same as a centre-right Tory government, like Cameron's. I don't want a centre-right party in charge, whatever colour rosette they are wearing. I want a party that will make things better for the majority, not just the least worst option.
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So do I, but we currently have the worst worst option ☹️
 
Labour, like I have done with every vote in every election that’s happened since I was 18.

They’ve probably never been closer to my own politics apart from the Gordon Brown and early Blair years. Can not wait for them to be in government, it will be a landslide.
 
m3t4tr0n said:
So do I, but we currently have the worst worst option ☹️
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I agree and I would far prefer a Starmer led Labour party to be in charge than a Tory party but that isn't the same as saying I want a Starmer led Labour party to be in charge.

My gripe with people like BLF saying "Any hint of a switch to the left by Labour would lose my vote." is just admitting he is a Tory and he doesn't like the current version of the Tories. As soon as Labour try doing anything positive people like him will be running back to the Tories. He isn't interested in change. He is happy with the country being used as a way to funnel money to the already wealthy. He just prefers it when it is other people's money and not his and I assume the current crop of Tories have messed up so badly it is now affecting BLF.
 
100% Labour, not perfect, but a damn sight better than the alternative.

I hope to see us back in the EU one day, but it's not going to happen any time soon barring a major personality change in many voters and politicians.

Closer relations for now will have to do.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
Having a policy ideal isn't the same as committing to a manifesto.

I want us to rejoin but am not naive enough to think that it can be done quickly and maybe it can't be done at all. If parties who support that idea, I hope that will stimulate the debate and the leaders of the main parties are encouraged to change their stance.
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You are right. I don't see the point of having rejoin as a stretch goal. Ultimately the EU wouldn't even entertain those discussions at the moment. Closer alignment is the best we can hope for in the next parliament. There is so much to unpick.

The green party can aspire to this and know they will never have to deliver it.
 
speckyget said:
Their policy.
"Whilst the decision to leave the EU cannot be immediately reversed, it is clear, given the damage Brexit is inflicting on our country, that long term we should look to re-join as soon as it is practicable to do so."

It's only silly if you don't regard Brexit as our greatest postwar catastrophe.
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Look at my previous reply Specky. Main point raised is the green party can say what they like, they wont have to implement it.
 
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