If there was a General Election tomorrow...

144 MPs with seats before the 2019 election went to Oxford or Cambridge​

58% of those were Conservative MPs 33% of those were Labour MPs 0% of those were SNP MPs 2% of those were Lib Dem MPs

123 MPs who won seats in the 2019 election went to Oxford or Cambridge​

70% of those were Conservative MPs 28% of those were Labour MPs 0% of those were SNP MPs 2% of those were Lib Dem MPs
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WJH. said:
Personally I want the Greens to drop their rejoin plans

Most rejoiners won't vote a left wing party anyway. Seems to me the rejoiners hate Socialists, Owen Jones, The Greens, Corbyn etc etc

You're just a bunch of shy Tories really
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Why would they drop a plan that the majority of their current voters support and could see them attract new voters to the party in the future?

Their plan isn't to immediately rejoin anyway, but start with rejoining the Customs Union.
 
WJH. said:
Personally I want the Greens to drop their rejoin plans

Most rejoiners won't vote a left wing party anyway. Seems to me the rejoiners hate Socialists, Owen Jones, The Greens, Corbyn etc etc

You're just a bunch of shy Tories really
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I was a Labour Party member, voted for Corbyn as leader, and have voted Labour at every general, local and European election since 1979. Other than that, uncannily accurate assessment.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
Why would they drop a plan that the majority of their current voters support and could see them attract new voters to the party in the future?

Their plan isn't to immediately rejoin anyway, but start with rejoining the Customs Union.
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Their members do decide and the likes of Caroline Lucas is leaving who at times seemed more concerned with Brexit than other issues. Personally I'm glad to see her retire.

People like Zach Polanski and Carla Denyer are brilliant new talent for the party.
 
Labour. Not really a massively follower of politics and don't particularly trust any of them but coming from a working class background, I could never vote for a Conservative government.
I also hope Labour can improve the current state of our country, wether they will or not I don't know
 
To me its more interesting looking at what will likely happen. Teesside is an interesting political area, because all the seats are either very working class constitinuencies or 60%ish working class. So they should be Labour or close to Labour seats. Its mainly urban/suburban, but that probably reflects the UK, particularly England.

My 2024 prediction

Hartlepool - Labour
Stockton North - Labour
Stockton South - Labour (just)
Middlesbrough Central - Labour
Redcar - Labour
East Cleveland/SE Middlesbrough - Conservative (just)

4 of the above 6 seats are nearly always Labour
Under Blair all 6 seats I think were Labour

My prediction would leave 3 Labour gains and 3 Conservative loses.

In 2019 Brexit was a dominant theme in the voting and it will not be in 2024. would say there will be more voting for whats in someones economic interest than emotional issues. People who rely on the NHS and State Education and other Public services have all struggled in recent years. They have seen higher rates of tax cut, but bottom rates increased. It will be intersting to see if the under 40s vaote much. They haven't much in rent votes and they have paid the price, I wonder if the penny has dropped yet?

On Teesside I would say the Corbyn effect lost Labour votes in 2019. Alot of ex forces working class people would not vote for Corbyn, but vote for Starmer. There are a lot of ex-forces on Teesside.There also alot of Teessiders voters who are quite conservative politcally, with a small c and are not that interested in international politics, compared with say London voters.
 
WJH. said:
Their members do decide and the likes of Caroline Lucas is leaving who at times seemed more concerned with Brexit than other issues. Personally I'm glad to see her retire.

People like Zach Polanski and Carla Denyer are brilliant new talent for the party.
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Hopefully you'll agree with Carla then.

“There’s not a single tangible benefit for the UK as a result of Brexit. It has been all pain and no gain. Every household is on average £1000 poorer [1] than they would have been if the UK had remained in the EU. Meanwhile, the EU Retention Bill threatens to make a bonfire of laws agreed in the EU that protect the environment and human and consumer rights [2].

“It is clear that the UK would be in a better position socially, environmentally and economically if we had maintained our place in the EU. That is why the Green Party is pursuing a policy of re-joining as soon as the political situation is favourable to do so.

“In the meantime, we believe that many of the worst problems created by Brexit would be eased by re-joining the customs union, negotiating the return of free movement of people between the UK and EU and signing up to a comprehensive agreement with the EU covering the protection of human, animal and plant life.

“Young people in particular are losing out. They didn’t vote for Brexit and most feel they are at heart European. Yet they are missing out on opportunities to explore, study and live on the continent. It is therefore vital that the UK continues its participation in the Erasmus+ scheme.

“Labour have thrown in the towel on Brexit. Their refusal to challenge in any serious way the extreme Brexit being pushed by Tory hardliners means only the Green Party is prepared to expose Brexit for the disaster it is and support rejoining the EU when the political circumstances are right.”
 
I do have a problem with the "Oxbridge=bad" mob. My sister went to Cambridge and privilege didn't enter into it; I've met many of her friends from then. They're a bit odd: intelligent and geeky, but no less "the people" than anyone else. Judge someone on their policies and actions, not where they went to university. To disengage on that basis is shallow and frivolous.

While I despise the Tories, I also despise the "the last man to enter Parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes" brigade, the non-voters, those who don't engage and hold themselves above it. If you don't like what's on offer, do something about it. All it take for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. Idsengagement does not absolve the individual of blame in a democracy. The right to vote also comes with a resposiblity.

I don't love Starmer, but I do align with the more centrist sections of the Labour Party. The Blair years were the most prosperous years I remember in my lifetime, and apart from Iraq (ok, I know that's as much a part of his legacy as anything else), he was the best prime minister I've know.
 
Way_Out_West said:
Wasn't it just a one year Postgraduate course, having got his degree from Leeds? Hardly embedded in 'the establishment'.
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Personally I’ve got more beef with Old Etonians than Oxbridge. Literally 50% (or close to) of all
British PMs going to the same school is just wrong. Especially when admission to the school is more about simple wealth than achievement, unlike Oxbridge.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
OK but are you registered to Vote in Brighton & Hove City or is your registration still with your old Teesside locality?

when my kids went off to further their education they kept their General Election registration for home - but used their new address to vote in local elections where they were living - but you do have to get the registrations right - this current bunch of right wing tory fascist's are only too happy to not let you vote at all

Your Brighton based, then you could be any of 3 constituencies - Kemp Town, Pavilion or Hove.
you already have two LP MP's and a Green in Brighton & Hove City.

have the LP selected their candidate for Pavilion yet (currently a green seat) ?

would you vote Labour regardless of who they stand against the Green - Caroline Lucas is stepping down, but she has been by far the best socialist MP in the city and will be a great loss

you will know that both the MP for Kemp Town and the MP for Hove will be restanding for Labour.
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I haven't lived on Teesside for 30 years
 
Redwurzel said:
To me its more interesting looking at what will likely happen. Teesside is an interesting political area, because all the seats are either very working class constitinuencies or 60%ish working class. So they should be Labour or close to Labour seats. Its mainly urban/suburban, but that probably reflects the UK, particularly England.

My 2024 prediction

Hartlepool - Labour
Stockton North - Labour
Stockton South - Labour (just)
Middlesbrough Central - Labour
Redcar - Labour
East Cleveland/SE Middlesbrough - Conservative (just)

4 of the above 6 seats are nearly always Labour
Under Blair all 6 seats I think were Labour

My prediction would leave 3 Labour gains and 3 Conservative loses.

In 2019 Brexit was a dominant theme in the voting and it will not be in 2024. would say there will be more voting for whats in someones economic interest than emotional issues. People who rely on the NHS and State Education and other Public services have all struggled in recent years. They have seen higher rates of tax cut, but bottom rates increased. It will be intersting to see if the under 40s vaote much. They haven't much in rent votes and they have paid the price, I wonder if the penny has dropped yet?

On Teesside I would say the Corbyn effect lost Labour votes in 2019. Alot of ex forces working class people would not vote for Corbyn, but vote for Starmer. There are a lot of ex-forces on Teesside.There also alot of Teessiders voters who are quite conservative politcally, with a small c and are not that interested in international politics, compared with say London voters.
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You are using thought and logic, sadly huge swathes of the Teesside public in recent elections have failed to do this, and have fallen for the scums nonsensical rhetoric and propaganda.
 
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