How concerned are you about climate change?

Capybara said:
I don't drive and only use public transport. I haven't flown since Stuttgart away (2006). We have good recycling round here but I don't fill the bin because I simply don't buy and use much stuff. It takes several weeks to accumulate enough non-recyclable stuff to put in the bin. I use things until expiry - I have some clothes that are 30+ years old and items, such as hi-fi components, that I've had since the 70s. I'm also vegetarian (and borderline vegan). I guess my main polluting behaviour is that my heating is gas.
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Similar to me Capy - I do have a car (rural area - limited PT). My Hi fi is modern to yours - year 2000 although I have a 1988 stack in the loft.
 
I guess I'm what you call a climate denier.
I think the whole thing is just another excuse to control our lives and fleece us for even more money.
Don't you ever wonder why they say "since records began " ( in the 1870's.)
I tell you why because the 1st 50 yrs of that century were as warm as what we're experiencing now .
Don't believe a single word of it .
 
1973, in Primary school, we were all mini activists, campaigning to plant trees to avoid another ice age (I remember my Placard and chant - "Plant a tree in 73 and plant some more in 74") followed in 1976 by the big heatwave and drought, encouraged by the government to shower with a friend :). On and on it goes, cycle after cycle, the only constant is the provocation of fear, more taxes and corporations (and scientists) making money off it all.
 
I have no doubt it's happing. I should be concerned.

Yet being completely honest it's not something that crosses my mind. I get more 'stressed' about the fact my mortgage has gone up again etc.

It's hard to think about 'the end of the world' in 25-50 or a 100 years time.

The cost of living / health services and everything else that's on its ars* is more of an issue for me. I'm sure I'll be told all that's irrelevant compered to climate change.

Yet unfortunately on a day to day basis it's unfortunately not for many.

You can see that by the responses about the roads being blocked. The average person is more 'bothered' about getting to work to pay the bills or make a hospital appointment they've probably waited 3-6 months for.

I'm only being honest. I'll always have 'bigger' concurs than something going on in the future. I'm sure many would agree.

I could recycle more or buy an EV. Yet it makes no odds whatsoever. China and India keep pumping out pollution and Aircraft and Ships keep pumping out emissions. It's not the everyday person that's the issue....Again tying into the protests effecting the wrong people.
 
Midnight to Six Man said:
I guess I'm what you call a climate denier.
I think the whole thing is just another excuse to control our lives and fleece us for even more money.
Don't you ever wonder why they say "since records began " ( in the 1870's.)
I tell you why because the 1st 50 yrs of that century were as warm as what we're experiencing now .
Don't believe a single word of it .
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You might have had a point. If it wasn't that it's the world's scientists that are telling us about climate change. Did you ever think why governments are actually resisting doing things whilst the scientific community, with little to benefit, are warning us how bad man made climate change is?
 
dontheking said:
Not concerned one bit as climate change/ global warming 🙄 changed its name. Is a money making scam.
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Do the oil and gas companies not make money? From what I understand they've done quite well over the last 200 years. They've done so well in fact that they have spare cash to pay people off to try and keep it a monopoly. Never mind the price control and profiteering of it.

Sure, for a lot of that we basically needed it to develop, and didn't have tech alternatives which are far cheaper for countries like us, but that no longer applies.
 
I have a low tolerance for stupidity, this thread has been a great way to filter some of that out, that’s another two on the ignore list.

Now, I know someone will cry ‘but surely listening to different voices is good’ or ‘free speach’, agreed where the comments are no complete 🦇 💩 nonsense that have published science behind them. Can’t be bothered having my life polluted with people that have just decided scientists are wrong without actually doing any experiments to prove otherwise.
 
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SmallTown said:
You might have had a point. If it wasn't that it's the world's scientists that are telling us about climate change. Did you ever think why governments are actually resisting doing things whilst the scientific community, with little to benefit, are warning us how bad man made climate change is?
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And saying he might have had a point is being kind.

How exactly is it helping "them" control our lives?

It's conspiracy theory bollox that people tell themselves because they don't like the alternative thought that we're screwing the planet.

Or I mean I suppose all these green political parties could be part of a shadowy sinister organisation really running the show and the likes of the Tories and republicans and all the other far right climate denying fruitcakes are those who are really fighting the good fight to keep our "freedoms" intact from the green fascists.

It's a tricky one 🤔
 
Midnight to Six Man said:
I guess I'm what you call a climate denier.
I think the whole thing is just another excuse to control our lives and fleece us for even more money.
Don't you ever wonder why they say "since records began " ( in the 1870's.)
I tell you why because the 1st 50 yrs of that century were as warm as what we're experiencing now .
Don't believe a single word of it .
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Yeah, it does sound like you're in denial of a problem we've caused.

I'm in denial that we have the time and will to fix it (or the right, over other devloping nations), so most wouldn't consider me as bias towards wanting to believe that the man mad climate change is true, but the evidence (assessed by experts) is beyond doubt.

I don't think in 1870 they started accurately recording the temperature so they could fleece people 150 years later, this is about as likely as Covid being a haox or the earth being flat.

Where says it was as warm from 1800-1850? All charts seem to indicate the last time it was this warm was ~120,000 years ago.

They (millions of scientists) know what changes and gasses cause temperature change, and billions know for the last 200 years we've been releasing them out of the ground and burning them. Science and knowledge has pushed governments to act, and loads don't/ didn't want to do it or have been slow as it costs them money (which costs votes, but this is changing as knowledge improves).

It's not a con or a hoax, there are far too many people involved and it would be far too easy to lift the lid or debunk it, if it wasn't true.

Nobody is denying the world was much hotter (at some points), and all of it was controlled by outside events (as people didn't have the numbers or power), but there is no outside event for the cause from the last 200 years where man has been fairly numerous and clued up. Temp back then (over 100k years ago) was largely irrelevant too, as we didn't have billions of people living near water.

Mass consensus of expert opinion says we're already responsible for a rapid increase which hasn't been seen outside the last 100,000 years, and that's only to now, there's still another 1-2 degrees to go (at least).

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Population is the single biggest driver in climate change. Until we address this, we are just faffing at the edge of the issue.

Not only does an increasing global population create climate change it destroys the eco system as we compete for resources.

An eV, solar panels and a heat pump won't make any difference long term.
 
Laughing said:
Population is the single biggest driver in climate change. Until we address this, we are just faffing at the edge of the issue.

Not only does an increasing global population create climate change it destroys the eco system as we compete for resources.

An eV, solar panels and a heat pump won't make any difference long term.
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That’s the introduction to Logan’s Run.
 
Laughing said:
Population is the single biggest driver in climate change. Until we address this, we are just faffing at the edge of the issue.

Not only does an increasing global population create climate change it destroys the eco system as we compete for resources.

An eV, solar panels and a heat pump won't make any difference long term.
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every heat pump solar panel EV reduces the impact of the individual, and has a positive impact on climate....but, yes, population control is required. The difference is that the more schemes like EV and solar are used, the less we need to reduce the population by to have balance restored.
 
Can’t be bothered with it to be honest. I’m not entirely convinced that climate change is anything to do with what we are doing as it has been changing for millions of years.
 
BoroMart said:
every heat pump solar panel EV reduces the impact of the individual, and has a positive impact on climate....but, yes, population control is required. The difference is that the more schemes like EV and solar are used, the less we need to reduce the population by to have balance restored.
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This is a good point. It's in such a dire state we must do all we can to address it. Reducing consumption be it through technological savings, renewable fuels or smaller population are all needed.
 
exiledinboro said:
You can't power everything on batteries

The solution is not to carry on as we are but use different energy sources - but to change habits and maybe even go through deindustrialisation

We don't need to import beef from South America or buy tomatoes from Holland grown in greenhouses and any other example we can think of

Even retrofitting and replacing every shipping vessel for green energy will cause enormous levels of pollution
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Sometimes importing food is better for the environment than buying locally. For example, buying tomatoes from a country like Spain where they are grown outdoors in natural conditions and then delivered by road is better than growing them in the UK in a heated greenhouse. Another one is the bag for life issue. It reduces plastic waste to use a bag for life but some of them are made from cotton which takes water and land and all sorts of other things to cultivate, grow, cut, distribute and then make that to break even on environmental impact with a plastic bag it has to be used 1000s of times. Biodegradable plastic bags are better, especially if you can use them multiple times. There might be fewer pieces of plastic floating around but the total impact is greater.

I don't blame anyone for not being able to work all that out. It isn't obvious. I'm still convinced the biggest winners of the plastic bag reduction are supermarkets who have managed to remove something that was a cost that they gave away for free and replaced it with a revenue stream. The other one that annoys me is places like McDonalds that no longer do plastic straws but they give you a plastic lined cup with a plastic lid so nothing has really changed but they can make a song and dance about being green. I can definitely understand why people are cynical about these sort of things, even if they agree with them. I agree with using re-usable bags and paper straws (except for in milkshakes or for anyone who has the misfortune of having to pierce a capri-sun or carton juice drink for their kids with a paper straw!) but they need to go many steps further. Make re-usable cups and drinks bottles the default instead of a 10p saving but put the extra cost onto the businesses, not the customers. Banning plastic bags at the supermarket isn't a solution when every item in that bag has a plastic container. Add a green tax to VAT so companies can't dodge it. Anything that isn't green should have a higher rate of VAT, payable by the company, not passed on to the customer by increasing the corporation tax rate for companies that are collecting green VAT.

People can't affect enough on their own. Hit businesses where it hurts and it forces the change.
 
I have alot more important things in my life to even worry about it all.
The earth's been here 4 billion years according to science and has went through many periods of warming and ice ages according to science, so you are now telling me according to science we have caused it using products that are from the same planet its ruining? Wow. Think some of you need to educate yourself and question things.
 
exiledinboro said:
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Nano, I've attached the forecast 👆 which is in comparison to the historical graphs Andy has kindly linked which shows how rapid the earth is now forecast to warm in a range of scenarios

It's taken 173 years and counting for temperatures to rise from pre industrial levels to the 1.5° mark which is expected this decade - and will likely double to 3° warmer from the pre industrial levels by 2090 (+50 years)

I waatched ITV evening news last night whixh covered the droughts taking place is Spain right now and its impacting Advocado and Mango growers and many other farmers

The examples I used were beef from Argentina and Tomatoes grown in heated greenhouses in Holland. And my point was instead of thinking we can carry on we might have to be realistic and change our habits and forefit personal choices
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I'm not doubting the science in any way. Just adding more information that shows how it's not always simple and I'm also criticising the lack of initiatives that actually make a difference (from government and business). Winds me up that businesses/industries are hiding behind things that don't make a difference. The perfect example of virtue signalling versus genuine action.

I'm also well aware that any action that is just increasing costs for consumers means that the people that have to change their habits are the poor while the wealthy can continue to do whatever they want because they'll just pay the premium which is only going to antagonise people, especially when they see those wealthy people campaigning whilst simultaneously flying around in private jets.
 
dontheking said:
I have alot more important things in my life to even worry about it all.
The earth's been here 4 billion years according to science and has went through many periods of warming and ice ages according to science, so you are now telling me according to science we have caused it using products that are from the same planet its ruining? Wow. Think some of you need to educate yourself and question things.
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Do YoUR oWn ReSeARCh.

Heard that one before mate. Thing is we don't need to. The whole scientific community has done that for us. And the majority agree we are causing the issue.
 
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