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I think he was close to big questions being asked last weekend.

If they lost that title, after another failing in the CL there would definitely be questions asked. He was brought in because of his CL pedigree and brought in to take City to European glory, so throwing away a league title on top of another season without winning the CL would've definitely had people in the far east questioning him.

I think he has to win the CL next year, if not, who knows. I don't know who they'd turn to but that club is desperate for that trophy.
 
El Guapo said:
It would be interesting to see how he’d do at Hartlepool.

And that isn’t to belittle his achievements or question his ability. I think it’d be genuinely interesting to see how he got on / built and improved them etc.
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I'd love to see one of the top managers do this one day, almost as an experiment. Even if they just took on the job for a few seasons.

They could afford to take the massive wage cut I'm sure but I doubt it will ever happen.
 
Marvanelli said:
6 seasons at City

4 Premier League titles
1 FA Cup
4 League Cup

(not including any individual honours).

(not including the number of Premier League records he's broken during those 6 seasons)

9 titles in 6 seasons (not including Community Shield wins)...and you think he's under achieved?

Next joke please.
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Yes because he was brought in to win the Champion’s League and has failed to do that every season.

He has almost unlimited funds. If he’s the best manager in the world like you think he is, winning the league cup four times is not a benchmark.

It’s titles and Champions Leagues.

Klopp has ran him incredibly close yet again and is in his third Champions League final despite having to work with a far more realistic ownership model and spending something like £250m less than Pep.

He almost won the quadruple, that’s what Pep should have done at least once if he was as good as you say he is.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
His success unique I think, but even more significant is his influence on football in the wider sense.

His philosophy of possession based football, starving the opposition of the ball, has arguably been the biggest change on playing style the game has seen in the modern era.

I can't think of another manager whose style has had such an influence on football in general.
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Wenger
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Lots of other great teams are also trying to win those trophies too.
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Which is kind of the point people are making.

It’s one thing to hump the likes of Watford, Brighton, Norwich and Burnley over a 38 game season, but when he has to compete with teams, managers and squads on a similar level in the Champions League he fails every single time unless he has Lionel Messi in his line-up.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Yes because he was brought in to win the Champion’s League and has failed to do that every season.

He has almost unlimited funds. If he’s the best manager in the world like you think he is, winning the league cup four times is not a benchmark.

It’s titles and Champions Leagues.

Klopp has ran him incredibly close yet again and is in his third Champions League final despite having to work with a far more realistic ownership model and spending something like £250m less than Pep.

He almost won the quadruple, that’s what Pep should have done at least once if he was as good as you say he is.
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Pep should have won the quadruple 🤣🤣🤣
 
GazC_MFC said:
Pep should have won the quadruple 🤣🤣🤣
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Why do you find that idea so funny?

If he’s the best manager with the best squad and biggest budget why hasn’t he?

Why hasn’t he won a Premier League and Champions League double?

Or added an FA Cup and done a treble?

It’s odd that Pep has such die hard fans who rate him so incredibly highly but the standards they hold him up to are simply winning the domestic title and how many times he can win a cup competition where they play the likes of Oxford, Fulham, Leicester and Burton.

If you’re an oil funded sportswashing project, winning the league is the minimum you expect. See PSG.

If you’re the best manager too, you should be winning more.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Why do you find that idea so funny?

If he’s the best manager with the best squad and biggest budget why hasn’t he?

Why hasn’t he won a Premier League and Champions League double?

Or added an FA Cup and done a treble?

It’s odd that Pep has such die hard fans who rate him so incredibly highly but the standards they hold him up to are simply winning the domestic title and how many times he can win a cup competition where they play the likes of Oxford, Fulham, Leicester and Burton.

If you’re an oil funded sportswashing project, winning the league is the minimum you expect. See PSG.

If you’re the best manager too, you should be winning more.
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In fairness, Ferguson only managed to win the European cup twice in 27 years managing United.

He also only managed to win the treble once and never managed the quadruple, yet he'll go down arguably as the greatest manager in British football.

I'm sure Pep will manage to win the Champions League twice at least if he ends up spending 27 years at City, but he won't of course.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Why do you find that idea so funny?

If he’s the best manager with the best squad and biggest budget why hasn’t he?

Why hasn’t he won a Premier League and Champions League double?

Or added an FA Cup and done a treble?

It’s odd that Pep has such die hard fans who rate him so incredibly highly but the standards they hold him up to are simply winning the domestic title and how many times he can win a cup competition where they play the likes of Oxford, Fulham, Leicester and Burton.

If you’re an oil funded sportswashing project, winning the league is the minimum you expect. See PSG.

If you’re the best manager too, you should be winning more.
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It’s never been done, why would you expect anyone to do it.

I’d you expect a team to do the quadruple you must expect them to go unbeaten.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Wenger
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Sorry, but don't agree. Wenger introduced a continental mindset to the English game, with diet, lifestyle and sports science, but these things were already commonplace on the continent.

On the pitch his football deliberately harnessed the best of the English game, which then was work-rate, physicality and desire to win.

I agree that he revolutionised English football, but not football per se.

His documentary on Prime is worth a watch, seems to be a very thoughtful and humble man.
 
Pembroke said:
If we are nerdy (guilty) the lineage starts with Rinus Michels - Cruyff - Guardiola. I don't think the former affected football here in the UK as Guardiola had even before his arrival.
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Yes, Michels was a revolutionary too and there is an obvious and widely recognised lineage between him, Cruyff and Pep.

But I do think that Pep's influence is far more wide reaching than the others possibly because it is so well publicised and reported in the digital age.

Having said all that I prefer watching Klopps Liverpool, I think it's a more exciting style of football.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Yes because he was brought in to win the Champion’s League and has failed to do that every season.

He has almost unlimited funds. If he’s the best manager in the world like you think he is, winning the league cup four times is not a benchmark.

It’s titles and Champions Leagues.

Klopp has ran him incredibly close yet again and is in his third Champions League final despite having to work with a far more realistic ownership model and spending something like £250m less than Pep.

He almost won the quadruple, that’s what Pep should have done at least once if he was as good as you say he is.
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Pep should have won the Quad...at least once...something no manager in the English game has ever done? Not even SAF who is arguably the greatest manager of all time. Oh and he only won the CL twice with Utd during his lengthy spell as manager.

Ironically SAF lost 2 CL finals...guess who against?

Ridiculous to even suggest Pep should've won the Quadruple at least once by now.

He's broken god knows how many English top flight records in his 6 year spell at City and that's still not enough for some.
 
The treble Man U did is so hard, let alone a quadruple thats unthinkable. On paper, they should win every game they play but thats why we love football isn't it? It isn't black and white.

I have no feelings of hate or love for Liverpool whatsoever but part of me wanted them to win it all just so i could say i was alive when it happened because its something i thought if it happens now, it won't happen ever again.

Imagine a team won every game, or every trophy they took part in during a single season. That's properly mental. How would you ever top it, every season thereafter would just be a disappointment. Could win a treble every year and it would always be looked down on.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Yes, Michels was a revolutionary too and there is an obvious and widely recognised lineage between him, Cruyff and Pep.

But I do think that Pep's influence is far more wide reaching than the others possibly because it is so well publicised and reported in the digital age.

Having said all that I prefer watching Klopps Liverpool, I think it's a more exciting style of football.
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Yes, in answer to the question, but it is also two fold in 2010 Guardiola’s possession based football excelled at club and International level. Spain obviously played like and were influenced by Barcelonas football.

We study and use success and excellence, we avoid failure.

Michels and Cruyff didn’t attain the same levels. So, football doesn't adapt to, or adopt the same principles to the same degree. 2010 could be argued as being a high water mark for football technically and tactically, and that becomes a driver of football globally.
 
Marvanelli said:
Pep should have won the Quad...at least once...something no manager in the English game has ever done? Not even SAF who is arguably the greatest manager of all time. Oh and he only won the CL twice with Utd during his lengthy spell as manager.

Ironically SAF lost 2 CL finals...guess who against?

Ridiculous to even suggest Pep should've won the Quadruple at least once by now.

He's broken god knows how many English top flight records in his 6 year spell at City and that's still not enough for some.
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But if he’s the best with the best squad and budget then he should be able to do that.

Even SAF didn’t have the financial backing of a literal oil state. Yes he had financial backing, but much of it was financed because of how he built the club up from where he took it over.

Pep had literally being plonked into the job and given an almost a blank chequebook, the expectations are of course significantly higher.

I think fraud is too far, he’s an excellent coach. An Auteur of football management.

Which I think is fine over a 38 game season when he’s mostly smashing teams with squads thatvare worth 2-3 of his substitutes, it then comes down to a mini-league with the Top 6 and how many points he can take off them to win the league.

But in a cup competition such as the Champions League, I almost get the impression he’d rather lose his way than adapt and win it.

So yes good manager, wouldn’t personally be in my top five in the PL over the years.

Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp would 100% be top three for me, probably followed by Mourinho. There’s an argument for him at No5. But then I think of Conte who came in at Chelsea and won the league against expectations, Ranieri who won the league against any kind of expectation.

That’s another strike against Pep, he’s never done anything in his career that wasn’t expected. You expect to win league titles with Barcelona, Bayern and Man City, go and achieve something extraordinary like a big treble, a quadruple or Mourinho winning the big one with Porto. He just hasn’t.

Even looking ahead to next season, they’ve went an splashed some of their sportswashing fortune on Haaland. Which is fine, but again but expect people to lavish praise on Pep for winning another league cup or Premier League title after simply choosing to buy the best young striker in the world as oppose to developing one.

There’s little skill in doing that, much like the media’s praise of Scott Parker is nonsense.

He’s not a top young manager, he’s got 2 promotions off the back of 2 of the best squads and biggest budgets.
 
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